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German F.N. Licenses: Names, Criteria, Distinctions

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  • German F.N. Licenses: Names, Criteria, Distinctions

    What are the levels of licenses that the German F.N. awards? Are there different "tracks" for horse trainers and people instructors?

    I remember a trainer being awarded "the highest honor" at a show in California a few years ago, but don't remember what it was or why he got it.

    A search on German F.N. didn't yield anything useful (or that I could read!).

    Thanks for any help

  • #2
    The FN is a large organisation; too much info to try to translate "ad hoc".
    I copied this link for you:

    Maybe you have also the "Translator" in your toolbar? Click it when you are on a foreign language website and it translates for you
    Classical Horsemanship


    • #3
      Basically there are two different pillars of training. One is a 3yr apprenticeship after which you'll be Bereiter/Pferdewirt Schwerpunkt Reiten respectively Pferdewirt Zucht und Haltung / Rennen or whatsoever. If you have finished the apprenticeship (that ends with exams both in practice and theory) you may go on to work in your profession for 3 yrs and afterwards upgrade to Pferdewirtschaftsmeister which then enables you to take on and train apprentices of your own. To do so you have to go back to school and also (in theory) bring a horse you have personally trained to M level.
      That is a rough outline of what you can do.

      Now the second pillar is adressing trainers who're coming from other professions (could be anything) but still want to get an education and a license to train.
      Therefor we have a training system you can enter which will leave you as a trainer A, B or C with A being the highest qualification. You can also chose whether you want to work in basic training/Breitensport (say teach novice lessons in a riding school or club), or performance training (aiming at the show circuit of dressage, jumping, eventing, carriage driving etc.etc.). Nowadays you can even chose a discipline (e.g. Western, Gaited Riding and so forth)
      Formerly the performance oriented part of those amateur trainers was called Reitwart and Amateurreitlehrer. Those old degrees have been grandfathered in and translate to today's Trainer B (ex Reitwart) and Trainer A (Ex Amateurreitlehrer). So as a non-professional Trainer A or Amateurreitlehrer is the highest you can get.
      Those non-professional trainers have always played a very important role in the German Equestrian world.
      There was a gazillion of passionate Trainers, Judges, Parcours-chefs who were coming from a farming or crafts background. Many of them functioned as mentor person in the riding clubs.
      Unfortunately with the ongoing commercialism of the sport this system is about to go down the drain. Today you either have very wealthy parents to support you or you no longer make it into the sport.
      Back when I was little you could get lucky and be 'discovered' by your local riding club trainer and they would know where to send you for training and how to get you hooked to the sport. Showing was great fun because you were doing it within a riding club where you spent all of your sparetime doing something useful.
      These days I see little to be gained in the showring and will be very happy if my kids should decide to focus on schooling and bringing on youngsters instead. Sorry for the excursion

      The book to go through for you would be the APO (Ausbildungs- und Prüfungsordnung) which has all the guidelines, rules and requirements in it.
      I recall from back when I did my Reitwart we had to attend 150 training units total and we did practical training in dressage, jumping, lungeing, giving lessons and then the theory of how the sport is organized, some didactic lessons, veterinary and so forth. In my class we were 15 or 16 people most of them young adults but some middle aged as well. Two didn't make it. We all learned a lot.
      If you're staying active you also have to attend several activities to keep your knowledge afloat. Those are organized by the FN directly, the various public riding schools or the subdivisions (e.g. Provinzialverband, Kreisreiterverband and downwards)

      Like I said I can only give a rough outline as I haven't nosed into the latest version of the APO.
      Froh zu sein bedarf es wenig...


      • #4
        PS: The Reitabzeichen is something completely different and this is probably what you saw at the show) It has zero to do with what you have done or are doing professionally (except you have to have at least a bronze batch in order to apply for any trainer license).
        Those are available to all riders and used to be a guideline for the previous Leistungsklassen (performance classes - you start out at 6 and work your way up to 1 (idally *lol*)
        To achieve your bronze batch you've got to attend a course and then do a test riding about a 1st level dressage test and jump a 3'6'' course plus a theory test about general horsey knowledge. Horsekeeping, feeding, breeds, some basic anatomy, equipment and how to take care of it and so forth)
        The silver batch is the highest you can apply for and have to do a test. It requires riding an L-level dressage test and a course of 3'11'' plus some more of the theory.
        The gold batch will be awarded to you by the FN when you have won 10 S-level classes. It can therefor be seen on the shadbellies of many German GP-riders who are wearing this sign of honor.
        Froh zu sein bedarf es wenig...


        • Original Poster

          Thank you both very much for your thorough replies!


          • #6
            I have often wondered about this and my research has yielded little. How prestigious and difficult was it to obtain the Bereiter license 15-20 years ago? The bereiters I've seen have been some pretty amazing riders. How has that changed with the commercialism, name change, etc.?


            • Original Poster

              The awardee was Dirk Glitz, and I'm pretty sure it was to do with his being a dressage professional. It was from the F.N., just presented at the CDI in CA because there was an audience that would care, I believe.

              Are "Pferdewirtschaftsmeisters" typically referred to as Bereiters? Or is there a clear distinction?

              Again, thank you for your patience with these questions ... there's a whole history of riding education that I know is difficult to put into succinct posts


              • #8
                AllWeatherGal - look at Kareen's description above where she talks about a Bereiter having to spend another 3 years in her profession, bring a horse to "M" level, spend some more time in school and pass a test before she can call herself a Pferdewirtschaftsmeister.
                Siegi Belz
                2007 KWPN-NA Breeder of the Year
                Dutch Warmbloods Made in the U. S. A.


                • Original Poster

                  siegi b. ... thanks for clarifying ... I got confused with the variety of terms (it's fortunate for me that the line is short and straight from X to C!)


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kareen View Post
                    Now the second pillar is adressing trainers who're coming from other professions (could be anything) but still want to get an education and a license to train.

                    Formerly the performance oriented part of those amateur trainers was called Reitwart and Amateurreitlehrer. Those old degrees have been grandfathered in and translate to today's Trainer B (ex Reitwart) and Trainer A (Ex Amateurreitlehrer). So as a non-professional Trainer A or Amateurreitlehrer is the highest you can get.
                    Those non-professional trainers have always played a very important role in the German Equestrian world.
                    Kareen: does anyone who teaches horsemanship have to have any of those qualifications? What about guest teachers, clinicians ?

                    When I was a student in Hamburg, I wanted to get my Amateurreitlehrer and started by attending the first prep seminar (two weeks if I recall correctly) in Verden. I hated every minute of it, in part because I was poor and felt like I have to do as told or else and I could not afford to shop for a program that might have been better for me. Also I was used to Arabians and TBs and it took me awhile to be comfortable around large, lumbering horseys (at the time-- breeding has changed since) (*smiling at the memories*)

                    The instructor was good .. but old fashioned in the sense of style. His Bereiters run the show -- and every one in that little universe was snotty and full of ego. I had to pay a lot to attend but we mucked stalls 4h a day and rode maybe 2. My most vivid memory, unfortunately, was watching the bereiters riding with drawreins, horse's head in chest, so the rich young owner would have it easier to keep her horse's head down on the weekend show. I realize my impressions were an unfortunate moment and not a reflection on anything else of course. And of course Verden is lovely!

                    And I am really happy to see the changes in Germany since -- the expanding to Western and Gaited. And, at least according to Cavallo -- I like the fact that turnout / pasture in groups and herd-friendly horse keeping is making inroads.

                    But what about insurance and guest teachers? I would love to arrange for one of my teachers to have a seminar in Germany (she teaches in Britain and Holland already) but surely guest teachers would not be expected to get those licenses?