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  • #241
    Originally posted by polarbear View Post
    Thanks! I'm pretty proud of him. He's 17.2, the rider at the AEC's is a good friend, an "A" pony clubber, small but mighty! I thought it would be fun to see how he'd do with a REALLY good rider..
    We still event him, my daughter (in the 4'9" pic) evented him, and pony clubbed him, then went to school. Now he's mine..I'm ever so gradually working my way up to training..

    His breeder has turned out LOTS of nice draft crosses, many are 1/4 clyde.
    http://users.erols.com/blackfoxfarm/index.htm
    He's really well put together. With careful breeding, it looks like you can get a pretty nice horse out of it. Not so much of a mish-mash of horse parts that I've seen in the past. I'd love to see him move. If you ever feel the urge to put up some video, please do!

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    • #242
      This boy is one of my favorites! His name is Ainville Tartan Special (Max) and is a 1995 Clyde (now deceased). He was actually schooling piaffe and passage before he passed away.

      http://www.sherwoodshires.nl/videoframeseng.html

      Another of my absolutely favorite boys! Paul is an 18.2 Shire stallion born in 1990. He actually was approved for breeding by the AWS and holds the second highest score for his breed to date scoring an impressive 8 on gaits! My Shire mare foaled a son of his last year, and the lady who bought him is going to keep him as a stallion for breeding to her TB and WB mares if he keeps maturing like he is!

      http://www.foundfeatherfarm.net/Powerful_Paul.html

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      • #243
        Originally posted by ashmotter View Post
        This boy is one of my favorites! His name is Ainville Tartan Special (Max) and is a 1995 Clyde (now deceased). He was actually schooling piaffe and passage before he passed away.

        http://www.sherwoodshires.nl/videoframeseng.html

        Another of my absolutely favorite boys! Paul is an 18.2 Shire stallion born in 1990. He actually was approved for breeding by the AWS and holds the second highest score for his breed to date scoring an impressive 8 on gaits! My Shire mare foaled a son of his last year, and the lady who bought him is going to keep him as a stallion for breeding to her TB and WB mares if he keeps maturing like he is!

        http://www.foundfeatherfarm.net/Powerful_Paul.html
        Um, wow?

        Love that clyde!

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          #244
          Powerful Paul is simply breathtaking!OMG!I've never seen such a beautiful horse in my life. That's it. My new mission in life is to take a horse like that to Grand Prix! Hey, I've got time..He blows the Rembrandts,Bonfires away! WOW!

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          • #245
            Originally posted by oldschool View Post
            Powerful Paul is simply breathtaking!OMG!I've never seen such a beautiful horse in my life. That's it. My new mission in life is to take a horse like that to Grand Prix! Hey, I've got time..He blows the Rembrandts,Bonfires away! WOW!
            OMG, can I watch? I'd love to see it

            I love a nice warmblood, but hairy feet do float my boat

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            • #246
              I am very much with you both on that! Those pictures actually don't do Paul justice...I got to see him in person and actually had a video of it but the video got burnt in the fire His trot is absolutely amazing...he's just dreamy

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              • #247
                The foal out of my Shire mare by Paul can be seen on the following link. Click the tab "Boarders" and scroll down to Amadeous X. We had named him Mufasa because his mother can rival with Paul in hair (until the little twerp chewed it off!), and we figured he would get a nice "lion's mane"! Haha He really was an absolute breeze of a colt to work with! I am actually hoping to breed my Shire back to him next season to try for a filly...it should be a keeper as this mare has had three foals by Paul and each one has been nicer than the last!

                Also, one thing I had never heard of before until I met Paul and had Mufasa was that colts could be born with their testicles fully descended! I had never seen that before and had the vet out to check for a hernia. No hernia...his boys were already fully intact I guess Paul has thrown colts with descended testicles before...rather strange!

                http://www.irus-stables.com/

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                  #248
                  I went to the website but I saw no pictures of awesome Paul ?? Did I go to the wrong one? It said Irus??

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                  • #249
                    My clyde/hackney/swedish warmblood colt was born with his testicles fully descended. I thought nothing of it - just glad they were there.

                    He is now 11 months old - 16hh and just a beautiful boy - very easy to handle and quite the social butterfly. Unfortunately we had to separate him from the herd this week - he now is with the geldings and infoal mares. The other mares miss him and don't like the herd split so every once in a while I have to bring him into the barn so the others can all be together.

                    I can't wait until I breed him to my rio filly.

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                    • #250
                      Sorry OldSchool...the link was for Paul's foal...Amadeous X. Didn't mean to disappoint you! Go to this link and click on her webshots link...she is who I met Paul through as she owned him for quite a while...Look under the SOLD pictures on that page as that's where he will likely be. I can't remember if he has his own page or not

                      www.warhorsefarm.com

                      Prodomus - It's definitely nice born with them descended! I wish they would all be like that so then there is no worry about being cryptochid! Haha I've had one of those too and that wasn't much fun!

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                        #251
                        Saw the link! Thanks! I could look at these horses all day.I want one soo bad!There is just something about his breed type that is endearing yet magnificent.

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                        • #252
                          Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                          Whenever you ask a draught type to do dressage sort of work, long term, you are risking the health of his hock joints. The exception is the (much lighter) Irish Draught.
                          As in all draft breeds there is not a huge consistantcy of weight and bone in the irish draught. Some are built like your average warmblood, some are built like a huge belgian. The problem is that most people THINK drafts should be heavy and they over feed them. An overweight draft horse WILL have problems staying sound. A fit draft CAN jump and CAN do correct dressage work. Yes, drafts have a large shoulder and a tiny rear (as a stereotype) but as long as they aren't truly built downhill there are exercises that can be done to help teach them to push from behind instead of to pull from the shoulder. Hill work, transistions, cavaletti, and even jumping are great ways to cross train and build muscle.
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                          • #253
                            Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                            Please note, an Irish Draught is NOT the same type of horse as a Shire, Clyde, Belgian or Perch. They are RIDING horses, not plow/cart horses. They have always been bred to be big and strong enough to work and plow, but also athletic enough to hunt and jump. Drafts, in the traditional sense, were only ever supposed to be work horses, and have been bred for their pulling power, not their pushing power (the key ingredient for a jumping horse or a dressage horse). Irish Draughts are a totally different animal from a draft horse breed. Irish Sport Horses (IDSH is a totally American thing...I've never known an Irishman that refers to their ISH as IDSH) are not the same thing as a draft cross. Irish Draughts and ISH are extremely athletic, often incredibly good movers, and are bred for sport. Draft horses and draft crosses, while often safe, lower level amateur mounts, are not nearly as athletic. There ARE exceptions, but unlike the Irish horses, a draft or draft cross that is successful in the higher levels of any sport is the exception. Irish horses competing at the higher levels are usually the rule.

                            Sorry...this is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. I've been extremely lucky enough to have spent a great deal of time with well bred, very athletic and talented Irish horses imported from Ireland. I've also had my fair share of experience with draft crosses (belgian, clyde, perch, etc). While I love every horse for who they are, there is nothing as athletic and gifted as a good Irish horse (except for maybe a good TB!). A draft cross can't even touch them. They are good honest workers, usually, and like I said, there are exceptional ones, but most I've known are average to clunky movers, struggle to truly collect and carry themselves, and are often lacking in any real power (be it scope for jumping, or power to truly push from behind).

                            It's funny when I see comments from people who have obviously never been to a draft show. I love seeing the comments on how quiet, slow, and clunky drafts are. It's hilarious how FAR from the truth this is. The preferred "type" being bred and SHOWN are actually hitch horses. LIGHT drafts with less bone and tons of knee/hock engagement. These horses can be HOT, HOT, HOT. The short, chubby, clunky drafts are commonly used as plow horses and are not the type generally suited for riding in a demanding show environment.
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                            • #254
                              Originally posted by Phyxius View Post
                              It's funny when I see comments from people who have obviously never been to a draft show. I love seeing the comments on how quiet, slow, and clunky drafts are. It's hilarious how FAR from the truth this is. The preferred "type" being bred and SHOWN are actually hitch horses. LIGHT drafts with less bone and tons of knee/hock engagement. These horses can be HOT, HOT, HOT. The short, chubby, clunky drafts are commonly used as plow horses and are not the type generally suited for riding in a demanding show environment.
                              Trust me, we know how HOT Drafts can be. They are athletic too. That is why the Draft crosses are such great bucking horses. Been to a rodeo lately? BUT, the movement of a sucessful hitch horse is a far cry from the movement of a sucessful Dressage Horse.
                              Patty
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                              • #255
                                Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                                In the very simplest sense of the word, yes, they are warmbloods. But they do not come with the years and years of pedigree and purposeful breeding that "real" warmbloods come with.
                                Right and warmbloods have closed stud books to keep them soooo selective. I would take a TB, draft, or draft cross over a warmblood in a heart beat.
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                                • #256
                                  Originally posted by NoDQhere View Post
                                  Trust me, we know how HOT Drafts can be. They are athletic too. That is why the Draft crosses are such great bucking horses. Been to a rodeo lately? BUT, the movement of a sucessful hitch horse is a far cry from the movement of a sucessful Dressage Horse.
                                  Didn't say hitch movement was what you wanted. I personally dislike drafts with hitchy movement. I prefer to ride, not drive. But, you can't have a clunky, clumsy hitch horse which was my point.
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                                  • #257
                                    Originally posted by Phyxius View Post
                                    Didn't say hitch movement was what you wanted. I personally dislike drafts with hitchy movement. I prefer to ride, not drive. But, you can't have a clunky, clumsy hitch horse which was my point.
                                    Allrighty then, so what is it you do want
                                    Patty
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                                    • #258
                                      Originally posted by Phyxius View Post
                                      Right and warmbloods have closed stud books to keep them soooo selective.
                                      This comment alone tells me a lot. The success of the Warmblood "breeds" is because of the open books. The horses have been carefully selected and rigorously performance tested. This has resulted in a horse that is the right type for the sport disciplines. The conformation to do the job. Form to function and all that.
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                                      • #259
                                        Originally posted by Phyxius View Post
                                        Right and warmbloods have closed stud books to keep them soooo selective. I would take a TB, draft, or draft cross over a warmblood in a heart beat.
                                        The more I think about this...that statement isn't true. I should say I'd take a TB, draft or draft cross over a warmblood that I could afford. There are lots of really nice, very high priced warmbloods, but for all that warmblood breeders try to say how decerning and rigorous the standards are I've seen many, many questional warmbloods out there too.

                                        If I had the moola I'd love to have a big, gorgeous, well trained warmblood.
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                                        • #260
                                          Originally posted by NoDQhere View Post
                                          This comment alone tells me a lot. The success of the Warmblood "breeds" is because of the open books. The horses have been carefully selected and rigorously performance tested. This has resulted in a horse that is the right type for the sport disciplines. The conformation to do the job. Form to function and all that.
                                          Yup! A mutt. And I have NOT problem with mutts. I have a problem with people thinking that because their mutt has a fancy name and six figure price tag that it's automatically better than someone elses mutt.

                                          I love mutts, too.

                                          Can you believe that dog mutt people even come up with NAMES for their mutts? Like a cock-a-poo or a swheat-n-poo. Or Labradoodle. But, you can't breed a lab to a poodle and still call it a poodle right? So, why can you with horses?
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