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  • New Wintec Isabell

    I am interested in purchasing this saddle. I did use the search tool and found the other thread about the old and new comparison. It was helpful however I still don't know if I should buy the saddle. Does anyone currently have the new model? I would like to see photos of it on a horse and someone riding in it. I'm not considering the leather version. I am Looking for a suede/synthetic dressage saddle for schooling outdoor. I appreciate hearing your opinions about this saddle.

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    I have one and am riding in it currently. It's a 17.5" Flocked model. The good is the overall balance of the saddle, the comfortable and open seat, the twist is narrower and the stirrup position is better than the old one. It works pretty well for me from the upper thigh and up. I am using it on a slab sided 14.1hand pony, so the problems I am having is the bulk under my knee and my inability to get my leg under me the way I would like. The flaps are too long and vertical for her sides and my leg (mainly because I have to ride her with a shorter stirrup). Also, unlike the older Isabel, the new one has a very large/open seat, so while I needed a 18" seat in the old model, I should have gotten a 17" in the new model.

    I plan to keep the saddle as an extra because it is very nice and comfortable for the price, and I have found it nicely adjustable with the gullets and the help of a saddle fitter. I think it would be very nice to ride in on a normal sized horse with more barrel, but on my pony I REALLY need a shorter, more forward flap.

    I have a couple pictures of me riding in it. I am going to the barn this afternoon so I can get some close ups if you would like. I am 5'6" with a short inseam and short from hip to knee, about 120lbs.

    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/22982...04500765mIoCwM
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    • Original Poster

      #3
      Bump. Anyone else have photos from another angle? Any other reviews? I am really considering this saddle.
      I've been pm'd about wintec warnings. I would be buying a new one. Do many wintec's come with a broke tree or break fast? I don't know if that's common or not. Still need some other reviews on this saddle and wintec quality in generall.

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      • #4
        Not close up, but I'm riding in my new wintec isabell in the dressage pix here:
        http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/...3921&aid=34117

        I love mine. I have never had a problem with Wintec quality, and I've had several. They've held up better than my $3300 Amerigo!!

        Jennifer
        Third Charm Event Team

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        • #5
          I have an old Isabell, so I can't really comment on the new ones, but I've never had an issue with quality or problems with the tree on any Wintec I've owned (and I've had 5 of them). My current Isabell is 8 years old and still going, ridden in 3-5 times a week.
          ~Nancy~

          Adams Equine Wellness

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          • #6
            The only person I have ever heard/read saying they had a problem with "Wintec Trees" was on this board, Hampton something. Hampton Bay maybe? This person posts on every thread where "Wintec" is so much as whispered. Which, fair enough, but let's frame their experience, because I am not sure you can consider it widespread.

            I've owned three Wintecs and BRUTALIZED them. The trees outlived the synthetic material on the seat! I bought one of the last "old" Isabells, so far so good. No tree issues, and with my horse, I'd definitely know. Have several friends who can also attest to the relative hardiness of their Wintecs, some in use in lesson programs, some trail riding, some are just a good back-pocket saddle for a catch/lease rider who needs something comfy that can fit pretty much any horse (many of those types of arrangements don't include tack in my area...just that the owner has to approve the tack.)

            Our consignment tack shop is also full of Wintecs in a variety of states...some are older than I am. All intact trees, and some models holding their value even when so sun-faded that they appear more rust coloured than black.

            I know I also read on here that customer service was poor...but really, not sure what people expect when they buy an item that is priced at less than half the next closest (real) competitor in the marketplace.
            Lifestyle coordinator for Zora, Spooky, Wolfgang and Warrior

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            • #7
              I'm the one who has had the issues with the broken tree but I'm far from the only one. I did a brief google search and came up with 5 or 6 others, plus 3 people I know personally who have had trees break on them. I can find that info for you if you want.

              It took them 9 months to get mine fixed and it was a ton of fighting to do it. IME, you're not always going to know the tree has cracked without inspecting it closely or until your horse ends up sore. Mine was probably broken for quite a while before I discovered the issue. I started having problems with one screw staying in around 4 years ago, but only found the crack in that location last summer.

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              • #8
                Hi Arabsrock here. I also had my wintec tree break on me, didn't know it until my mare turned into a bucking bronc!!! Wintec/Weatherbeeta was a PIA to deal with and I will no longer buy their products. i will give my money to retailers who act like they appreciate having my business. JMHO, YMMV.

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                • #9
                  I bought one new about two years ago and I don't care for it. Wanna buy it from me? It's a 17.5" seat and barely used, like new condition. The synthetic version, not the Bates.

                  I have several nice quality saddles but the trees were all far too narrow for the project horse I had at the time. He was really wide. So I wanted something inexpensive and decided to try the adjustable gullet thing. It didn't help. I tried all the wider gullets and was having some pretty obvious issues with bridging, as evidenced by the saddle pad marks.

                  Changing the gullets was much harder than I anticipated. I needed the help of my fiance and it took the two of us wrangling and cussing before it got done. Maybe it gets easier with time? But Wintec also advises using brand new screws with each change, and they only give you a few in the original package. It's definitely not something you would want to do between horses on a daily basis, that's for sure.

                  It also felt like I was riding on one of those kid's bouncy house things. The CAIR panels seemed to add bounce and it felt weird. I've ridden in other Wintecs and never noticed such a feeling before.

                  It also seemed really big and bulky to me. It is surprisingly heavy, which I didn't expect from a synthetic model.

                  I also really hate the top flap's overgirth strap thing. The first time I put it on a horse I could see why you need it - because the synthetic flaps stick straight out and look ridiculous. They have to be tied down with the strap. It was impossible for me to tighten it from the saddle, the buckle was just too far away, and I prefer to do my final girth tightening once I am mounted.

                  I mean it's not a bad saddle for the price I guess, as long as you can figure out the right fit. A flocked version seems the way to go so it can be adjusted (do they even sell them new flocked, or do you have to get a saddle fitter to retrofit it that way?)

                  For a novice rider I could see the appeal because it basically velcros you to the seat. Riding in it with full seats was much too sticky for me, I felt glued down.

                  Anyways if I could go back in time and do it again I would have just bought a quality used leather saddle for about the same price in the size I needed at the time. It's just collecting dust right now... figuratively speaking, I have the saddle cover on it.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by whitewolfe001 View Post
                    ...(do they even sell them new flocked, or do you have to get a saddle fitter to retrofit it that way?) ...
                    If you have the Cair removed, the warranty on the tree is void. Now, how the Cair is going to affect the integrity of the tree, who knows, but that's their policy.

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                    • #11
                      I have the new Wintec pro dressage saddle. I had the old Isabell version and didn't like it so when the new pro version came out I decide to try it with my medium pony. I like it so far... It's a 16'' special pony edition, flocked.

                      http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7998070_n.jpg
                      Vergissmeinnicht.
                      Forgive me, between French, English, and German, I'm sometimes completly lost

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                      • #12
                        The new Pro does come flocked, but not eveyone who carries Wintecs, carries the flocked model. I'm not sure about the Isabell. I have the new Pro, just had it fitted to my horse. So far, so good.
                        "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by JazzIT View Post
                          I have the new Wintec pro dressage saddle. I had the old Isabell version and didn't like it so when the new pro version came out I decide to try it with my medium pony. I like it so far... It's a 16'' special pony edition, flocked.

                          http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7998070_n.jpg
                          Hi I'm considering purchasing the 16" pony version of the wintec pro dressage saddle. I can't try before I buy as I live 4 hours from the saddle shop. I was wondering what your height was and how big your horse is as it seems to fit your horse well from looking at the pic :-)

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                          • #14
                            I have an older Isabel right now that is about 8 years old. Has been used moderately for that entire time. The tree is totally sound, the suede material still looks brand new. All the Wintecs I have ever had have stood the test of time. I would not hesitate whatsoever to buy a new one now.

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                            • #15
                              +1 no broken trees

                              Have several Bates/Wintec saddles, though never the Isabel model. I use them pretty hard and pay little attention to maintenance. Have never had a broken tree. Did one time need to do a repair to a tree point where the gullet screws in, but it was cheap and the saddle was at least 10 years old at that point (estimate - I bought it used). I consider them perfectly good saddles as long as they fit both horse and rider.

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                              • #16
                                I've had an old Isabell for about six months. It was only used once before I purchased it. I noticed the slight trampoline bounce when I first rode in it...for about a minute. I have since put a Roma sheepskin half pad under it (even though they say not to), and that has solved that completely. It took no time at all to change gullets for me. The overgirth is a bit annoying (for about 2 seconds)..

                                Other than that, I love the fit for both the horses and myself..(I'm 5'10 and the two horses I use it on are a 16hh Appendix and a 15.1hh Arab mare, which both use the same size gullet, I have an OTTB and a young Andy, and I don't know how it will fit them at this point..we'll see).

                                When I ride in it, I never think about it. I think it is a great saddle design. As for the newer version, there is a video on Youtube of IW riding in it. If it is good enough for her, it is good enough for me.

                                I plan on buying a Steffen Peters Advantage eventually or I would consider a Bates IW flocked. But, I don't look forward to having to reflock a saddle...

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                                • #17
                                  Again, I love them. I have a super really old Pro, an older Pro, and a Pro I bought in the last few years. I haven't tried the Isabel, but I don't like saddles that hold you in--I like a flatter version. I've ridden all kinds of horses from training level to GP (and showed) in them. I originally got one because it was the only thing that would fit TB withers except something way out of my price range.

                                  I really like them. Like rugby girl, the only thing that wears out is the saddle itself. It rubs through. I "repair" them by putting black gasket glue, like super glue, on it and then black electrical tape on top to smooth it out. After it dries you can take off the tape and you have a repair job. When it split it the top of the cantle, I sewed it together with heavy thread and did the same thing.

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                                  • #18
                                    Another "like" vote here

                                    Originally posted by Perfect Pony View Post
                                    I have one and am riding in it currently. It's a 17.5" Flocked model. The good is the overall balance of the saddle, the comfortable and open seat, the twist is narrower and the stirrup position is better than the old one. It works pretty well for me from the upper thigh and up. I am using it on a slab sided 14.1hand pony, so the problems I am having is the bulk under my knee and my inability to get my leg under me the way I would like. The flaps are too long and vertical for her sides and my leg (mainly because I have to ride her with a shorter stirrup). Also, unlike the older Isabel, the new one has a very large/open seat, so while I needed a 18" seat in the old model, I should have gotten a 17" in the new model.

                                    I plan to keep the saddle as an extra because it is very nice and comfortable for the price, and I have found it nicely adjustable with the gullets and the help of a saddle fitter. I think it would be very nice to ride in on a normal sized horse with more barrel, but on my pony I REALLY need a shorter, more forward flap.

                                    I have a couple pictures of me riding in it. I am going to the barn this afternoon so I can get some close ups if you would like. I am 5'6" with a short inseam and short from hip to knee, about 120lbs.

                                    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/22982...04500765mIoCwM
                                    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/22935...04500765RoFtHT
                                    I own the new Isabell with Cair panels purchased 2 years ago. No pics riding in it but I agree with this poster. I'm tall 5'9" with a long leg - I love this saddle. I also use it on a big greenbean and have graduated from the medium gullet to the med-wide through out his growth period. The saddle fits him great and believe me - I check the sweat marks and back soreness and his overall attitude every time I ride. I love the larger roomier seat and the narrower twist and was able to sit in several sizes before choosing the 17. I also like the longer flaps - perhaps because my guy is big. I like being able to adjust or remove the knee blocks. This saddle just fits him and I and it's a keeper.
                                    I ride 3rd level at home and show 1st. I'm extremely comfy in it and my guy's attitude is content and willing throughout the sitting work, lateral work, and the half halts for rebalancing.
                                    (I like it better than my fab leather Passier which I never ever use anymore because the seat is just not as comfy as my isabell!)

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by monstrpony View Post
                                      The new Pro does come flocked, but not eveyone who carries Wintecs, carries the flocked model. I'm not sure about the Isabell. I have the new Pro, just had it fitted to my horse. So far, so good.
                                      Isn't Weatherbeeta the company that imports all Wintecs? If so, then you should just go straight to them.
                                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                                      • #20
                                        Question: is there any change in the panels from the old isabell to the new, post 2009 isabell?

                                        I ride in an older one that is flat (2007 or 2008, can't remember), but wondering if the panels got even flatter in the newer designs?

                                        The one I ride in currently fits my gelding well, but the twist is just too wide for me- totally blocks my upper thigh and I can't get the rest of my leg to drape well. Otherwise- i really like that saddle.

                                        I will likely try the new model just to see if it is better, but figured i'd ask here first.
                                        My blog: Change of Pace - Retraining a standardbred via dressage

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