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  • OK eagle eyes this one is interesting.....


    We have bantered back and forth regarding our individual observations and judges observations.

    Tell me what you can see, if you actually catch it.

    Times are approximate: 21 visual counts
    :25 - 1:16 - 1:29 - 2:56 - 3:39 - 3:43 - 4:00 - 5:20 pirouette - 5:48 - 5:54 - 6:04 - 6:11 pirouette - 7:42 - 8:13 piaffe - 9:03 - 9:06 - 9:36 - 9:41 - 9:45 - 11:29 - 11:31 - 11:37 - 13:10
    Last edited by spirithorse; Mar. 8, 2011, 05:27 PM.
    Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

  • #2
    He's wearing a helmet.

    And the horse seems to stay longer on his right hind in the passage than the left.


    • #3
      Originally posted by arabiansrock View Post
      ...the horse seems to stay longer on his right hind in the passage than the left.
      I noticed this as well...


      • #4
        pffff all I can say is, I wish I could speak Dutch, lol.
        All I got was "pirouette".

        Beautiful horse.
        Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!


        • #5
          He does that toe tap with his right hind in passage.


          • Original Poster

            Folks are missing a whole lot!

            One visual has been spotted, however, there are a lot more.

            Technically, the horse is lame. There is a muscle problem. The rider does not even feel the occurances.
            Ask and allow, do not demand and force.


            • #7
              Originally posted by spirithorse View Post
              One visual has been spotted, however, there are a lot more.

              Technically, the horse is lame. There is a muscle problem. The rider does not even feel the occurances.

              I'm curious how you have diagnosed it a muscle problem? What kind of muscle problem do you suppose?

              So, do you speak dutch? I don't, so I have no idea if the rider is talking about the uneveness in the passage or not. Maybe someone else here can tell us what he's mentioning & discussing with the audience.

              I see a horse that gets uneven behind in the passage. Not super concerning to me, as it seems he looks a bit green to that level of work. He is snappier with the right hind, slower & less flexing with the left. At the walk, he tracks evenly and when allowed to go more forward in the trot (and not so much carrying behind) he is even. I do not see any glaring one-sidedness in the canter.

              No way to tell for sure, but from that short video, I would conclude that he has one hind leg stronger than the other at this point in his training. Of course this IS the only time in the world, a horse has had this condition, isn't it?


              • Original Poster

                Originally posted by NorCalDressage View Post
                Reallllyyy? I'm curious how you have diagnosed it a muscle problem? What kind of muscle problem do you suppose?
                If you 'closely' observe you will see far more than you have. In fact, I was able to see 21 different visuals showing that a problem exists, even logged the times.

                Yes, it is a muscle problem because it is inconsistent. As for the muscle structure affected, only palpation could reveal it.
                Ask and allow, do not demand and force.


                • #9
                  spirithorse, you should charge for those long-distance diagnoses. It's amazing, really.


                  • Original Poster

                    It is not a diagnoses, it is an observation. If you cannot see the visuals, well, it just demonstrates what is lacking in education of riders.
                    Ask and allow, do not demand and force.


                    • #11
                      I find it amazing to think that a rider of this level would not feel the issue. I have a horse that is a 3 years rehabbed former Amish buggy horse, with a known issue in his right hind...appears very similar to what you see here. Yes, I feel it. And I don't compete at international level either. The horse is sound, but not flawless. Dressage works with the horse's natural imperfections, to bring them as close to perfection as we can through proper training and fitness. Some get to be 99.9% perfect and some will only be 89% perfect when it is all said and done.
                      Horses don't lie.


                      • #12
                        Hey spirithorse, how about you post a video of you doing Dressage and show us all lesser beings a proper horse?

                        As CotH has proven many times, anyone can talk the talk...


                        • #13
                          What I find most interesting is the half pass left into canter transition, where the horse taps the ground with his right front first, then takes the first canter stride. It's almost as if he starts to canter on the third beat of the stride, but not really as he doesn't seem to put full weight on it in that moment. Maybe just a blip, or perhaps a habit or reaction of the horse in that particular transition. And sometimes sh&t just happens!
                          Horses don't lie.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Quibbler View Post
                            Hey spirithorse, how about you post a video of you doing Dressage and show us all lesser beings a proper horse?

                            As CotH has proven many times, anyone can talk the talk...
                            Highly unlikely that will happen. OP posts videos of other riders/horses to comment on what he finds disagreeable yet does not seem to want to post videos of self


                            • #15
                              What do I see?
                              Yes I see an unbalance- most likely a weakness or possibly soreness. I saw it trip up a few times, have a few awkward transitions, mess up a few times with it's changes, etc. And no I did not count exactly how many "signs" there were and exactly when they occur in the video.

                              But more importantly, I saw a promising young stallion who will probably clean up beautifully especially under the talent of Edward Gal. Since this was a clinic video, this horse was likely selected to show these issues although since I don't know dutch I can't say for sure.


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by fatwhitepony View Post
                                I find it amazing to think that a rider of this level would not feel the issue.
                                Who said he doesn't feel it?
                                I saw the angel in the marble and I set him free. - Michaelangelo


                                • #17
                                  SH said so himself (edited to say he says so in post #6)! I wondered how he knew the rider did not feel it.
                                  Horses don't lie.


                                  • #18
                                    Edward Gal most certainly feels every minute imbalance and misstep and is keenly aware of the tiniest of flaws.


                                    • #19
                                      I think a chain on Voice's leg would fix the unevenness in the P & P.

                                      Yeah, that's it. A chain.


                                      • #20
                                        Don't forget the rubber tubing!

                                        Hell, that's how I get my hackney and Lipizzaners to trot the way they do (Um, yeah, just kidding guys)
                                        Horses don't lie.