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Newly Discovered 1950s Film of the SRS and Alois Podhajsky

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  • Newly Discovered 1950s Film of the SRS and Alois Podhajsky

    15 minutes of viewing pleasure! Enjoy!

    http://pegasustv.org/archives/player_0012.html
    "No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

  • #2
    Thanks for posting this!
    "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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    • #3
      It is magnificent. Compare the SRS today to the SRS then and one can see the incorrectness that has now developed.

      Please notice the frames of the horses, seems they meet the requirements of Article 401 and the subsequent articles.
      www.hartetoharte.org
      Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

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      • #4
        Got to love how supple the horses look, and how much crossing they have in the half pass. Really fun to watch.

        (Dang, I'm feeding another of Mike's posts!)
        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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        • #5
          Lovely video, thankyou for sharing. I really rate the SRS, they are excellent. They aren't perfect though, there are plenty of technical errors on show in this video most markedly lack of bend in the half passes and braced under necks. It doesn't detract from the overall spectacle but it does fuel my irritation when they are held up as being the pinnacle of dressage. They are good but so are the riders who take part in modern competitions.

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          • #6
            love it! supple, expressive, harmonious - whats not to love ? as i watched i was thinking that it would be *so* cool to teach the pony the in hand stuff... how cool would it be to do CPs in hand with a pony?

            wish i could down load it!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by spirithorse View Post
              It is magnificent. Compare the SRS today to the SRS then and one can see the incorrectness that has now developed.
              Really? When did you last see the Lipizzans perform?

              I think Stolensilver and I were watching the same video. The Lipizzans are lovely as are the riders, but there is much lacking as SS already noted.

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              • #8
                Thank you!

                As for the naysayers! . Where is the thumbs down button?

                It is difficult enough to correctly ride the movements, without being required to have the split second timing to smoothly meld into a formation.
                Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                • #9
                  Merrygoround, I am going to borrow SS's quote because it hits the nail on the head:

                  "It doesn't detract from the overall spectacle but it does fuel my irritation when they are held up as being the pinnacle of dressage."

                  None of us are saying that the Lipizzans are not wonderful and a pleasure to watch. But, not all of their work is correct (e.g. half passes lacking bend and cross over). Of course, some brilliance and correctness will be lost when riding in formation. That is to be expected. But does that mean that we should turn a blind eye to movements that are not performed optimally?

                  I am willing to give leeway to horses being ridden in formation for being less than perfect in every movement. But, it does not mean that I am going to hold them up as the pinnacle of dressage--this would be misleading to people new to dressage. As far as formation riding, though, I can't think of any group I've seen that is better. And, the in-hand work is riveting!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by merrygoround View Post
                    As for the naysayers! . Where is the thumbs down button?

                    It is difficult enough to correctly ride the movements, without being required to have the split second timing to smoothly meld into a formation.
                    Interesting that the naysayers nitpick the performance rather than observe the frame of the horses and the softness of the rider's hands.

                    A team performance is incredibly difficult to achieve accuracy and this film compared to today's SRS definitely shows a far better performance.

                    My point of comparing the Col's. SRS to the SRS today, is that then the Col. required poll high nose in front of the vertical.....today SRS is overbent behind the vertical and dependent upon the curb.

                    The poll high nose in front of the vertical requirement is because that position has the horse engaging the muscles that spread over the withers, which allows the complete engagement of the shoulders.
                    www.hartetoharte.org
                    Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

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                    • #11
                      pesronally, I think some suppleness would turn this from an OK demonstraition of dressage, to a quite good demo.

                      It is a shame, because to me these horses do no look 'gymnasticised" which is the purpose of training.
                      www.australiancolouredperformancehorses.com.au

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                      • #12
                        If they were more "gymnasticized" they'd need a bigger riding hall.

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                        • #13
                          Very different from today. This film shows horses that are powerful, well trained but RELAXED. Almost no tension. Also as others have noted the riders are maintaining the POLL at the highest point - something not often seen today. Also the riders seem to just blend into the picture, no excessive hand grabbing or spur digging.

                          This film is a treasure.
                          Summit Sporthorses Ltd. Inc.
                          "Breeding Competition Partners & Lifelong Friends"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by spirithorse View Post
                            The poll high nose in front of the vertical requirement is because that position has the horse engaging the muscles that spread over the withers, which allows the complete engagement of the shoulders.
                            Like Totilas?

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                            • #15
                              No not like Totilias but with the front still matching the back.
                              http://TouchstoneAcres.com
                              Touchstone Acres Lipizzans, Standing N. Samira VI (Gray), N. XXIX-18(Black), more in 2014

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                              • #16
                                For what I can see, this video is a bit on slow motion. Thus exacerbating the 'relaxation' effect I guess... Seem quite the same as what is being done today by the SRS. Good show riding. They are keeping the traditions. Lippizaners are great!

                                No one said they were the pinnacle of modern dressage. Because this is not 'modern' riding. It is tradition show riding!

                                And they are not regulated by the FEI rules...
                                ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                Originally posted by LauraKY
                                I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                HORSING mobile training app

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                                • #17
                                  HA HA - what a crack up you are

                                  This post represents a grand example of what is wrong with dressage today. The presentations are so incorrect that some folks cannot recognize what dressage should look like according to the rules......

                                  Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
                                  For what I can see, this video is a bit on slow motion. Thus exacerbating the 'relaxation' effect I guess...
                                  Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post

                                  On slow motion? Egads. Exacerbating the relaxation? The horses are supposed to be relaxed in dressage.

                                  Seem quite the same as what is being done today by the SRS. Good show riding.

                                  Show riding? Egads. What is show riding? Totilas represents the epitemy of 'show riding' of show dressage.

                                  No one said they were the pinnacle of modern dressage. Because this is not 'modern' riding.

                                  Thankfully this video is not the incorrect display of 'modern' dressage.

                                  It is tradition show riding!

                                  Show riding? Classical dressage is now show riding?

                                  And they are not regulated by the FEI rules...

                                  The are not regulated by FEI but 'DID' adhere to the descriptions contained in the rules.
                                  www.hartetoharte.org
                                  Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by spirithorse View Post
                                    This post represents a grand example of what is wrong with dressage today. The presentations are so incorrect that some folks cannot recognize what dressage should look like according to the rules......

                                    [I]
                                    Some prefer to use chains on their horse and ride with deep hollow back and pretend that because their horse's nose is in front of the vertical, it represent the best 'frame' ever, even if the neck is completely inverted, with no hind legs engagement.

                                    Keep up the good work SH!
                                    ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                    Originally posted by LauraKY
                                    I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                    HORSING mobile training app

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                                    • #19
                                      sh wrote : "Show riding? Classical dressage is now show riding?"

                                      The SRS, from its English website, does "performances".

                                      About the "American Friends" foundation

                                      The American Friends of the Spanish Riding School is a newly formed non-profit foundation dedicated to supporting the renowned Lipizzaners of Vienna and their 430 year-old tradition of classical dressage.

                                      In 2001, the Spanish Riding School and the Piber Federal Stud were privatized as a result of the Austrian entrance into the European Union. Consequently, the governmental financial support has decreased to only a fraction of what is needed by the School. The American Friends of the SRS foundation is responding by forming new programs to support the School and enabling a method by which the School can receive support through tax-deductible donations from individuals and businesses.

                                      This foundation is officially endorsed by the Spanish Riding School, which is located in Vienna, Austria.

                                      American Friends of the SRS
                                      Lexington, Kentucky USA Cell Phone +1 (859) 983-4858
                                      Office Phone +1 (859) 223-2010
                                      Anne Buchanan, President
                                      Kimberly E. Brown, Vice President

                                      Send us an email

                                      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Americ...l/122376559940

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                                      • #20
                                        Alicen
                                        Tell you what, I will be on the rode in May.
                                        How about I come by where your ride and we film the two of us riding dressage and put it up on Youtube?
                                        www.hartetoharte.org
                                        Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

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