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  • flash attachments: the toilet paper argument

    I have always attached the flash strap so that the buckle is on the right side of the horse (looking straight at the horse) and the strap goes up through the buckle right to left, and can be secured by tucking it through the buckle, the keeper, then through the flash attachment connector to the noseband. The buckle sits sort of over the nostril where there's a dip, instead of under the chin or below the horse's lips, where it can dig in to the flesh.

    Not everyone does it this way, and my bridle gets messed with.

    So, just like the toilet paper argument, does the free end of the strap point up or down?
    Last edited by TheHorseProblem; Feb. 28, 2011, 02:58 PM. Reason: clarity
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    Placed, as you wish it, the free end would point down, towards the mouth.

    As for TP, it's however I grabbed the roll that time.
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    • #3
      Hmmm, hard to visualize your description. The buckle is typically on horse's left, often the free end of strap pointing up and going back through the loop on bridle. Is that what you were saying? My loop though is too small to allow for the free end, so I have it facing down.

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      • #4
        Merrygoround is correct. Loose end end goes under the chin. When the keeper is lost, many people turn the flash strap around the other way and stick the loose end back into the loop that holds the flash strap, but it is not made to do that, and unless the bridle is very old and the loop is stretched out, it will not fit.
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          #5
          This is how I have always done it:

          http://www.thermatex.co.uk/img/brpd-...e-hh-large.jpg

          When I get to the barn, elves have switched it to this:

          http://www.brighteyesandbobtails.co....seband_att.jpg
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          • #6
            Mine is buckled on the left side of his nose, in the recess above the nostril, with the loose end of the strap pointing DOWN, and into it's keeper. Mine is so long the end of the strap and keeper is usually below his mouth.

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            • #7
              The second picture is how I do it.

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              • #8
                If your strap points upward, unless you have a flash strap of the exact length to buckle in the right spot and tuck just the tip neatly through the nose connector, you end up with a very obvious piece sticking out sideways on the right side of the noseband. IF the center connector is stretched out enough to let you stick the strap through it!

                If the strap is fastened with the point downward, you can have the buckle in the same place and adjust the second keeper to keep the excess strap curved neatly under the horse's chin. And even if you're in a hurry and leave an inch or two sticking out, at least it is under the jaw not waving about beside the horse's face.

                So that's the way I've always done it....

                Jennifer
                Third Charm Event Team

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                • #9
                  Like every other buckle on your saddle and bridle, it should point down.

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                  • #10
                    I like it to point downward to the right and be neatly tucked in the keepers. However, if it is short enough (and most are way long), I have tucked it in so that it goes through the attachment loop, but doesn't stick out on the other end. Funny the kinds of things we (dressage peeps) worry about
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Doodlebug1 View Post
                      Like every other buckle on your saddle and bridle, it should point down.
                      Good point!!!

                      Jennifer
                      Third Charm Event Team

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                      • #12
                        Mine points downwards. Always has. Points down and is secured in a keeper!

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                          #13
                          Obviously I am outnumbered! But I remember getting a lecture from one trainer about it, and then seeing in Dressage Today, in the clinic by Lisa Wilcox, that she mentioned the flash strap sticking out and down on a rider's bridle. She very specifically said that it should be turned around and the free end tucked into the loop. So I looked at some German tack websites, and sure enough, that's how all the bridles looked:

                          http://www.va-reitartikel.com/Reitsp...bisse-Zaumzeug
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                          • #14
                            THP, you are not alone! When I use a flash, not only do I prefer the end to turn up, but I prefer it buckled on the right, as well.

                            I prefer it because it looks neater, particularly if you trim the flash for each horse short enough to ensure that the end tucks into the keeper and nestles into the loop on the caveson that holds the flash. The flash attachments are cheap enough that I like to have a custom-fitted one for each horse that uses one.

                            ETA: This is not a "right" versus "wrong" discussion. I learned to do it this way by seeing it eons ago, when flash nosebands were more rare. It's just a matter of personal preference.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TheHorseProblem View Post
                              Obviously I am outnumbered! But I remember getting a lecture from one trainer about it, and then seeing in Dressage Today, in the clinic by Lisa Wilcox, that she mentioned the flash strap sticking out and down on a rider's bridle. She very specifically said that it should be turned around and the free end tucked into the loop. So I looked at some German tack websites, and sure enough, that's how all the bridles looked:

                              http://www.va-reitartikel.com/Reitsp...bisse-Zaumzeug
                              Actually, the pictures in the link that you posted are inconsistent. Some buckles are facing up, but a few are facing down, too.

                              No straps should be sticking out anywhere on your tack (at least according to hunter queen George Morris. ) If the leather is too long to be secured neatly into its keeper without excess, then cut it off. If you lost the keeper, then secure the loose strap with an elastic braider, or in the case of a flash, turn it around.
                              "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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                              • #16
                                My keeper is missing. I do it the way it is in the first picture

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by LuckOfTheIrish91 View Post
                                  Mine points downwards. Always has. Points down and is secured in a keeper!
                                  Yep, mine points down also. Always has, always will. Not only that, threaded correctly through the flash, the keeper won't get lost (until the first time you take it off to clean it!).

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                                  • #18
                                    Are you left handed?

                                    The second way is the correct way. It must be awkward to buckle done your way unless you are a lefty.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Dry Clean Only View Post
                                      The second way is the correct way. It must be awkward to buckle done your way unless you are a lefty.
                                      Au contraire. I find it awkward to reach under the horse's chin to stick the end in the keeper. Maybe I'm just used to doing it this way.

                                      LovingLife, I think that may be what happened, that the keeper fell off the first time, so I switched it around to prevent that.
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                                      • #20
                                        To each his own, haha! I actually do buckle mine on the right and put the small amount of excess leather up through the flash loop on the noseband. To me it just looks better that way and sits right in the dip of the nose so the buckle does not push into the skin anywhere. I also saw Coutney King-Dye on the cover of Dressage Today and her bridle was done up the same way, LOL!!

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