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  • Legal Bit?

    I have the KK WH bit and was wondering if it was legal. I have the rule book for 2011 but I am confused, it looks legal for some classes but not for others? Is that true?
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    It says that it is FEI legal, but it 'appears' to still be a restrictive category. It shows the bit with a very clear picture of this exact bit as a permitted bit on page 8 http://www.usef.org/documents/FormsP...entBooklet.pdf

    But... not to confuse anyone! a disclaimer box is aside on the left that says:

    Snaffle or bridoon with rotating middle piece - LEGAL in USEF High Performance qualifying and selection trials, and observation classes ONLY.

    How does your horse like this bit?
    Last edited by pony grandma; Feb. 22, 2011, 12:26 PM. Reason: sp fix
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      He seems to really like it a lot, hence my reluctance to change. I can eventually get the KK Ultra to show in, but, since he does like it, I'd hate to have to change bits.
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      • #4
        FWIW, it IS legal for Eventing Dressage.
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          Originally posted by Janet View Post
          FWIW, it IS legal for Eventing Dressage.
          Too bad I am too chicken to do cross country at any higher level than beginner.
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          • #6
            I'm not sure what the KK WH looks like, but I used a Mylar last year at 2nd level without any issues. I did double check to make sure it was ok to use. It also has the rotating middle piece. I know with those bits, you just can't use the ones that have any kind of port in the middle, as they make a lot of those. Mine is just a loose ring snaffle.
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              #7
              This is my bit:

              http://www.doversaddlery.com/herm-sp...01894/cn/1457/
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              • #8
                OP- I have the exact same bit, and emailed the usef to ask this very question. Yes it is eventing dressage legal, and it is also legal for FEI high performance selection trials, but otherwise it is NOT legal for dressage. They told me it was a fine line between a "rotating piece and a rolling piece"-our bit has a "rolling piece" in the middle so its illegal. I *think* the Mylar Big Spender is talking about probably qualifies as a "rotating piece."

                FWIW the usef folks were SUPER helpful in getting back to me with my question, so when in doubt, send 'em an email-they were great!

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                • #9
                  Unfortunately, for straight dressage, that bit is only legal for hte "high performance" stuff.
                  Originally posted by Bugs-n-Frodo View Post
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                    #10
                    Well... looks like I will be buying a new bit.

                    Thank you guys for your help! I was sincerely hoping I was understanding it incorrectly.
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                    • #11
                      Bugs - I had my (somewhat fussy...) Arab in the same bit, which he really seemed to like. I picked it up in the Dover basement, and the nice sales clerk did warn me that it wasn't legal for anything other than FEI. At the time, I wasn't worried about it, but since I'm hoping to do a few rated shows this year, I switched him to the RS Dynamic, which is legal, and haven't seen a difference. I'm thinking he actually likes the mouthpiece shape, and that matters more than the roller.

                      I have him in an eggbutt, but here's the loose-ring version:

                      http://www.doversaddlery.com/product...&ids=465508537

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by equinelerium View Post
                        They told me it was a fine line between a "rotating piece and a rolling piece"
                        Gee I would think so, since the words "rolling" (to turn round on [or as on] an axis; to cause to revolve or rotate) and "rotating" (to turn around on an axis or center) have a heck of a lot in common.
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                          GreyDes, Thank you for the suggestion!
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Janet View Post
                            Unfortunately, for straight dressage, that bit is only legal for hte "high performance" stuff.
                            What does this mean??
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rhyadawn View Post
                              What does this mean??
                              What does what mean?

                              Here is the relevant rule
                              DR121.14. The following rules apply exclusively to USEF High Performance qualifying and selection
                              trials, and observation classes
                              ...
                              c. The following bits are permitted for use either as a snaffle or bridoon: (Snaffle or
                              bridoon with rotating middle piece)
                              with a picture of the WH bit. There is no picture of trhe WH bit in the list of bits that are legal for everything else.
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                              • #16
                                I ride in this bit. It really made a difference for my mare who is 17 hands but has a narrow muzzle, fat tongue and low palette. She loves it.

                                This bit is legal for FEI classes (PSG and above or young horse material classes). It is not legal for normal dressage classes (Intro through 4th level) unfortunately.

                                I have been thinking about trying a Sprenger dynamic loose ring for competition. Have to see how she goes in one.
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                                • #17
                                  I used the WH on my young mare last year and she loved it. I had to change her back to the kk ultra for showing, which wasn't a problem. I'm using that bit (WH) on my older mare this year and hate the idea of changing her out of it, as she does really well in the bit, and she's a bit more difficult in the mouth. I have a dynamic d ring that I tryed on her and it was awful. It may have been better if it was the loose ring version.

                                  I really hope they go ahead and make it legal some day soon. I don't "get" why it's a fine bit to use in the developing horse classes but something is wrong with it for training level.
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                                  • #18
                                    I have a WH that I really like on my horse, and switch between that and the dynamic RS. For showing I use the RS. I don't notice much difference, horse loves both of them. Someone at my old barn showed in the WH and has never been caught. Not a good idea IMO now that you know it's illegal, but not all play the game fair. The rules are so hard to distinguish for that bit in particular that I'm not surprised that the bit checkers don't know. Most of the time they see the little HS arrow on the side and put their finger in the horses mouth as a technicality but don't really check what's going on with the bit since almost all of the HS are legal. The USDF should make a point to educate folks on it.

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                                    • #19
                                      I don't "get" why it's a fine bit to use in the developing horse classes but something is wrong with it for training level.
                                      It is legal with the FEI, not USEF. So for any class that is governed by FEI rules you are good. USEF objects to the moving part in the middle.
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by nhwr View Post
                                        This bit is legal for FEI classes (PSG and above or young horse material classes). [/I]
                                        Well, that settles it, guess I'll just have to show him in FEI classes. Someday... actually, he's going VERY well. Who knows? Maybe sooner than later!
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