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  • TOTILAS presented under new rider

    Just watched this and before I open my mouth would love to know peoples views.


    What a massive load of pressure for horse and rider and I think it shows

  • #2
    Considering how little time Matthias has had to become acquainted with Toto, I think he does a very nice job. He's a lovely rider and I truly wish him the best. But, I have to admit that I still miss the Edward Gal/Toto partnership. Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to seeing Edward competing Toto's full sister.


    • #3
      i think totilas is fascinating.... his front end is so expressive but in anything but collected gaits his hind end just is so.... not there. i cant figure out if that is the training or how he is naturally.

      i wish Rath well.


      • #4
        I like to think part of the "Totilas" magic was the special partnership he had with Edward Gal. I am not quite cynical enough yet to believe just anyone can get on him and come close to reproducing that amazing partnership and those amazing rides. While I certainly do not wish Matthias ill, I can't find it in me to really root for him either.


        • #5
          It just goes to show how easy it is to make a slight bobble here and there, no matter how well trained and talented the horse/rider.

          I really do think that a real bond has to develop between horse and ride so that it's almost like a telepathy in aiding, if you get my drift.


          • #6
            May just be me, but that link was infected for me...


            • #7
              Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
              I really do think that a real bond has to develop between horse and rider so that it's almost like a telepathy in aiding
              Agree with this. The pair look very promising and just need time to find their "groove" with each other.
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              • #8
                That horse brings tears to my eyes. He is just so expressive and magnificent. I think Matthias is doing a good job... I can't IMAGINE how much pressure he must feel knowing that many people are comparing him to Edward Gal. I miss the partnership between Edward and Toto as well, I think it is sad that it was broken up but, by the same token, I can't hold it against Matthias.
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                • #9
                  I think he looks less tense through the neck. Wishing him all the best.
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                  • #10
                    I think it is a testament to Edward Gal that a rider can get on him in such a short time and ride that horse fairly well. However, the spark that I have seen with Edward Gal is missing.


                    • #11
                      Flame suit on

                      I like Rath on Totilas better than I ever did Gal. For a young man that has a bit of a reputation for *choking*, I think Rath stayed focused on what he was doing very well.

                      It is extremely difficult to take over the ride on any high level horse ... every advanced/world class rider has their own individual technique when it comes down to their unique partnership. It is like the *signature* of a great painter ...

                      So, unless Rath IS Edward Gal, Rath is going to be retraining a few muscles on Totilas regardless. That is not easy when the horse is trained to such a high level and with such specific aids.

                      Every specific set of aids commands a very specific reaction and the use of very specific muscles. If Rath intends to ride him more classically (which it looks like he is doing), then he is going to be retraining some muscle sets and some aids. Any muscle set that Rath is retraining, that Gal didn't use, is basically not developed (like a greeen horse), so those muscles are going to tire much more quickly than the muscle sets that both Rath and Gal use/used in a similar manner.

                      Most of the obvious mistakes I saw looked like a confusion of aids and were corrected immediately. Those mistakes look like they are caused by Rath using his aids differently than Edward Gal did. A couple of times Totilas threw one of his front legs way up in the air during a transition coming into a corner.

                      I like that Totilas neck is now beginning to show a more refined throatlatch. His neck looks much trimmer and more in balance with the rest of him. It no longer looks like it is becoming *musclebound*.

                      In the beginning of the video Totilas rear end looks more normal/correct, fluid, engaged and active. He is being ridden up into the bridle softly and actively. He is not tilting his head.

                      As the test/exhibition ride goes on, it looks like Totilas begins to tire and fall apart a bit. Head tilts and the rear end begins to lose some of the earlier engagement and activity. It looks like he is tiring ... different muscles being used.

                      Overall it looks like Rath is trying to ride Totilas more from behind than Gal did. If Totilas hocks and hind limbs are still sound, then Rath will be able to develop Totilas more through the back.

                      That's how I saw it.

                      More relaxed, but still powerful. Sure, there were some mistakes, but I love seeing Totilas more realxed.


                      • #12
                        That was a lot of trotting.
                        ... _. ._ .._. .._


                        • #13
                          As the test/exhibition ride goes on, it looks like Totilas begins to tire and fall apart a bit. Head tilts and the rear end begins to lose some of the earlier engagement and activity. It looks like he is tiring ... different muscles being used.
                          I wonder how much breeding he has been doing the past 30-60 days. Remember he was hardly bred at all when EG had him (other than being collected for frozen once or twice). Breeding takes a toll on a stallion's hocks, stifles, back, etc.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                            More relaxed, but still powerful. Sure, there were some mistakes, but I love seeing Totilas more realxed.
                            Yes. Exactly this.


                            • #15
                              Horizontal curb, tense,short neck yuck.


                              • #16
                                Posted by raff:

                                Horizontal curb, tense,short neck yuck.
                                Totilas has always been ridden (at least since Gal had him) with too short of a neck.

                                I saw the horizontal curb, but Rath's hands look pretty light.

                                What I do see more of here is what looks like a foundation in RK, complete with the sewing machine trot (typical of Anky style RK), and Rath hasn't had the horse long enough to develop the kind of strength that is showing in the horse right now.

                                I can't tell if Rath doesn't want to head in that direction and is trying to correct it, or if Rath is just not as agressive of a rider ... which is fine (better even) with me. He seems to be a softer rider. I am giving Rath the benefit of the doubt that he will get this horse moving more from behind.

                                I don't like tense horse's. I don't think it looks attractive at any level.

                                Totilas looks more relaxed, and it could be because Rath doesn't do heavy Anky style RK, or he isn't as strong of a rider as Gal, but he wants to do heavy Anky style RK, or it could be because he is trying to develop the back to front connection with this horse and it would be very difficult due to Totilas previous training.

                                Personally I would love to have seen this horse training with someone like Podjaisky [sic, Podhajsky, I should have spell checked before posting].
                                Last edited by BaroquePony; Feb. 9, 2011, 07:25 AM.


                                • #17
                                  what i saw was when he was asked for "more" he gave it with his front legs, instead of his hind end.... i wonder if they will be able to retrain him to engage his hind end instead of toss those front around.

                                  it will be interesting to see what the end result it.


                                  • #18

                                    Dead wrong! 15 yard penalty. First and ten.


                                    • #19
                                      He's going to be just fine. he looks relaxed and happy
                                      Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                                        Personally I would love to have seen this horse training with someone like Podjaisky.
                                        Please tell me I'm not the only poster that I mean, really, was Podjaisky really that good? Does anyone really know for sure?