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  • GGT dressage footing

    Anyone using it ? Any mixing issues?

  • #2
    Yes, it's fantastic. No issues.
    It is rare to see a rider who is truly passionate about the horse and his training, taking a profound interest in dressage with self-abnegation, and making this extraordinarily subtle work one of the dominant motivations of his life.\"


    • #3
      I know someone in NC who has it and always raves about it. It's the only arena around where you can ride after an absolute downpour!


      • #4
        I've got it and love it! Easy to install, retains moisture well and not very dusty. It's probably the best footing I've ridden on.


        • Original Poster

          For those that installed,how did you??? Parma?


          • #6
            I used a parma which worked great. However at another stable I ride at, they put it on top of the sand but don't have a parma yet so we've been riding on it which is actually mixing it in really well...


            • #7
              LOVE it.

              We have installed a new arena this past fall, and used the GGT from Premier. I must say, I never thought the new arena would feel like a 'seasoned' arena until it went through a few rainy seasons (we are in Florida). We used lots of water, pumped with an irrigation pump, so we are talking spraying about 150+ gallons a minute! It was hard for us to manage the hose, like a strong anaconda, but we got 'er done. It only mixes well when wet. When I drag the arena dry, it seems to pull up the felt. When moist, not an issue.

              The cost for our arena was a big part of our farm investment, as I had no desire to compromise on my training surface, but it was definitely cost effective in the long run. We were able to use a fine wash sand, and the hold, cushioning and support are just what I wanted. I am very, very satisfied. If you are in Florida and want to take a look, feel free to PM me.

              Good luck with whatever you decide!


              • #8
                contact www.footingsolutionsusa.com
                Ask and allow, do not demand and force.


                • Original Poster

                  I just installed it in my indoor. Love it now, but mixing was not so easy at all. Horses were sinking on it for a while. Parma groomer wasn't that helpful at the mixing stage even when extremely wet. The tines seem completely redundant because there is no compaction. We finally took them completely off the groomer once it was mixed. If I had to do it all over again, I would do virtually everything differently. The video leaves you with the impression it is no big deal, sooooo not the case. But I believe it is the best surface on the market. Just wish they provided a list of do and do nots with the purchase!!! Grrrr.


                  • #10
                    I was considering it for my indoor at one point. The distributor I spoke with did tell me it's difficult to mix manually and recommended using a pug mill to blend the sand and the fiber.


                    • #11
                      It is by far one of the best footing blends out there that I have ridden on. It is being used over the Otto Sport Mats at the Kentucky Horse Park. All the WEG Riders raved about the footing. Unfortunately, the "self install " videos online lead you to believe it is as easy as painting your kitchen! I spoke with a few professional installers and they all laughed when I told them I wanted to open the bales and spread it out by hand and have my horses blend it in....it is not that easy. The professional installers told me they either mix it off the arena with special equipment or at a sand plant. I rode in an arena that was carpet fibers and it was badly mixed. It was worthless as the fibers sat on top of the sand. I would expect the same to happen with GGT.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by horsey girl View Post
                        It is by far one of the best footing blends out there that I have ridden on. It is being used over the Otto Sport Mats at the Kentucky Horse Park. All the WEG Riders raved about the footing. Unfortunately, the "self install " videos online lead you to believe it is as easy as painting your kitchen! I spoke with a few professional installers and they all laughed when I told them I wanted to open the bales and spread it out by hand and have my horses blend it in....it is not that easy. The professional installers told me they either mix it off the arena with special equipment or at a sand plant. I rode in an arena that was carpet fibers and it was badly mixed. It was worthless as the fibers sat on top of the sand. I would expect the same to happen with GGT.
                        I was told to mix it at the sand plant too, but that was not possible and with two drags, the anaconda fire hose and a few friends, I had mine down in half a day. It continued to mix to a better surface as it was used, and we did find a few spots not so well mixed in at first, but that lasted a short time, and it was not an issue with water on it. I do not drag it dry, as the felt gets pulled along with the drag. It is not a job for one person, I will agree. Moving the bales around took a tractor with a loader. There were four of us working on it.
                        It is different than carpet fibers I think, in that I saw carpet fibers used at a facility, and it was longer and stringier, not as likely to integrate with the sand and easily caught in a drag. Most of our felt was smaller thin pieces. I pull a small drag at the end of the day behind my Gator, and that seems to keep it well groomed. I have pictures of a footprint that I can send in an email if you want a picture. Just PM me.
                        Believe me, I am no footing pro, but I am really happy with my arena and feel it is comparable to some of the arenas I have trained in in really wonderful facilities. It retains moisture, so little if any dust, and is very rideable after a downpour, although our arena is crowned for runoff.
                        For a regulation arena along with an area around the arena for test riding 95 feet wide by 230 feet long, the cost was under $7K. The finer sand seems to integrate into the felt, and was for our area a very cost effective choice. We did put a good base in, which is essential to any arena, but still ended up under budget, and found it was about 2/3 the cost of crumb rubber.
                        One thing that took some getting used to was the color at first. Now that it is mixed in the sand, there is no color, but at first, when on top, looked like a lime jello ambrosia color like the school cafeterias used to serve
                        I would do it again in a heartbeat, and I am a footing nitpicker.


                        • #13
                          Thanks for sharing this info.

                          What was the cost for your arenas? Can you breakdown what you paid for this additive and then also for the sand you bought?


                          • #14
                            I am thinking of installing it

                            Originally posted by Sister Margarita View Post
                            It retains moisture, so little if any dust, and is very rideable after a downpour, although our arena is crowned for runoff.
                            Of course contractor #4 STILL hasn't installed the base!
                            How much rain do you usually get? Last summer we went weeks with out rain though it does get humid.
                            I wasn't always a Smurf
                            Penmerryl Sophie RIDSH
                            "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                            The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.


                            • #15
                              For those of you who have purchased this footing, was your arena brand new or did you already have some type of footing in it? If you had footing already, what was it and were there any challenges to integrating the two?


                              • Original Poster

                                I will bestow upon you $35,000.00 of consulting advice....no kidding because that was the added cost if a professional did it!!!! I was told 3 inches of silica sand and 9000.00 lbs of GGT footing which came in around 9K with shipping over 1K. The sand specs are on the website and you MUST obtain the spec sheet from the sand supplier or you will most definitely be screwed. We are fortunate that one of the only silica sand providers in our state was exactly 100 miles away. Whew!!! No they could not mix it at the plant because that cost was around 5K to do and would really add significantly to the trucking cost, because no matter what they tell you, it does add volume that eventually with water and use decreases. But like in a month!!! So not on delivery! We installed the 3 in sand and applied the footing in a poop spreader. Used just the GGT dressage footing. Would only recommend at this point using half dressage and half jumping footing. There is much more stability with it which you will appreciate from the start. No luck mixing it really because the volume was so large now the Parma couldn't drag thru and mix it. Nor could any device made on the planet without harming your base. I was replacing an existing arena footing. Base was solid and laser leveled. But after a ridiculous amount of mixing drama it was so unlevel and uneven it was unuseable!!! Grrrr. We scraped it all up into huge pile at one end of the arena, which proved to us there was no footing worked into the bottom of the sand. By doing this the bucket did a great job mixing it fortunately!!!! We then laid in sections all across the arena 3 in high boards and using a huge tractor and front end loader poured it in to the 3in mark and compacted it and scraped it like you would concrete flooring or icing a cake. Did this which took 2 tractors and 5 men almost 2 full days for a 100x250. Actually correction, an 89.6 x 225. Very impt to know because the floor space is how you calculate the actual sand and footing needs. Remember those kickboards do take up floor space and that extra volume can be significant.How do I know this??? Because 1 now have the best round pen footing on the planet and then some!
                                Would I do it again...sure but exactly the same way. We spent 40 hours on that damn Parma groomer all to no avail. Installing it this way would have saved us a lot of worthless tractor and mixing time!!!


                                • Original Poster

                                  Oh almost forgot..it needs a special ingredient to make it bind. Your professional installer knows this. The poor buying consumers do not! It will not bind to and firm up in the silica sand that is so beautifully washed without it!!! Oh and did I mention they sold me 4x the necessasary amt of the GGT product???


                                  • #18
                                    Call me Lucky

                                    I guess I was just fortunate to fall into the right stuff.
                                    The arena is new, installed in November. Our budget for the felt was under $7K, which included shipping. Bad experience however with FedEx, who dropped the first bales off a truck and one busted. Can you say 'mess'? I had a fit and the guy cooperated after that, using the drop tailgate that he should have used at first.
                                    I am located in Florida, so prone to downpours, which we have had since installing the arena. We had one small puddle along the track where we should have raked better, which was gone in a couple of hours. The arena stayed nicely moist, not wet, for nearly a week, and it is in full sun all day.
                                    We only added 2 inches of sand, which I was told needed to be a range of particle size. I remembered doing our indoor and finding that mixing products often produces a fluffing up to more than needed, so went conservatively. If I needed more sand, I could always add it later. So far it feels about as good as any I have ridden on. When it dries out, which in sun and breeze can happen here, it still is good, but I do like a firm damp sand, so we water it in between showers if needed.
                                    I did a 95 x 230 area, maybe a little wider by the time we were done, but not much. There were some felt-heavy spots that were so easy to rake up and move in a Gator to spots that needed it, since it was not completely mixed in yet.
                                    The arena was totally new, on a raised base of sandy clay that packs well, was lazered and vibrator-rolled then rained on before we put on the sand and GGT. I will say I did not do a great deal of research on products other than talking to other arena owners and a really great grading contractor, a perfectionist. So far, I am very pleased. Premier advised me that the easiest way to mix it other than at the plant was with lots of water, and it did make a difference. I still have some nitpicky work to do, like spots on the outside that are light on the felt that I can borrow from felt heavy areas on the outside, but my boarders are all very happy too, so no complaints here.


                                    • Original Poster

                                      Yes consider yourself lucky! You were saved mucho drama because you bought 2 inches of sand! Me,I am completely OCD and followed the directions EXACTLY as advertised!!!!! The sand cannot be washed free of fines. Our silica sand plant has 25Million invested in high tech washing equipment. So when they erroneously specify washed sand, they don't realize that they are delivering product washed 99.9% free of fines. It isn't washed by bubba Joe at the local backyard sand plant!!! This will not bind!!!! Horses will sink on it like quick sand even with as much product as we have mixed in it! It needs fines added. Was not fun to do after the fact. Live and learn. But total bs advertising. FYI that cutesy little video showing the Parma mixing it in....they admitted that it was being mixed into beat up and used sand! Which of course would do it because it is heavy with soft fines! So I could have easily blended it with what I had, instead of replacing the whole mess...i.e. following the directions! Ha!!!


                                      • #20
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