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  • Letter by CKD re: Helmets

    http://www.dressagedaily.com/index.p...id=376:january

    Please take a moment to read her letter. I was very struck by it.

    Fav new quote for my dressage friends who still resist the changing times: "The bottom line is no matter how 'good' you are, you can't train a horse to not trip over his own feet."

    Also the last sentance it pretty powerful.

  • #2
    Wish there was a "LIKE" button on COTH.
    The rebel in the grey shirt

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    • #3
      I just posted that to facebook.


      Having a horse fall on me was what made me start wearing a helmet every ride, even when not required. I was lucky that the ride it happened on was one at school, where I was required to wear a helmet.

      I hope no one else has to have a horse fall to wear a helmet, but can instead learn from the experiences of others. No, it's not going to happen often - but if I could predict when it would, I'd be buying winning lottery tickets, and Totilas would be in the US now.
      Originally posted by Silverbridge
      If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Emy View Post
        Fav new quote for my dressage friends who still resist the changing times: "The bottom line is no matter how 'good' you are, you can't train a horse to not trip over his own feet."
        Yeah, well, hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20.

        I am still surprised that she did not have the foresight to wear one on every horse.

        Yes, people can learn from her experiences, but the fact remains that if she hadn't given in to peer pressure and had worn a helmet when riding a horse (rather than baseball caps), this whole situation could have been avoided.

        Now everyone can jump on the Velvet-hate pile. I just think there's an elephant in the room regarding her accident and because she was a star and was injured, people make excuses and now jump on board to get behind her helmet crusade.

        People, the elephant is that she should have been wearing the helmet to prevent the injuries that can occur when horses have accidents (tripping over their feet, etc.) to avoid her current situation.

        Do I feel bad that she was hurt? Yes. Do I want to jump on her band wagon forcing people to wear helmets to prevent injuries? Nope. Why not? Because I think all grown ups should be responsible for themselves and be able to make decisions for themselves (based on their own judgment) and no one else should be expected to have to pay for those mistakes except the person who first chose to get on a horse w/o a helmet. Can she be held up as a poster child for what can happen when you don't wear a helmet? Sure, if she wants to.
        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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        • #5
          Velvet,
          You're on a tear of insensitivity (to others) and hypersensitivity (yourself) today. Perhaps you should put down the keyboard before you offend anyone elase.

          At no point have I heard CKD say that she shouldn't have been wearing a helmet that day. There is no elephant in the room. It's pretty much right in front of everyone and acknowledged by all involved.

          She's shedding light on the fact that well-known riders set trends and if the big guys don't wear helmets then most of the small guys won't either. If the big guys lead the charge, then the smart small guys will follow along. In the dressage world, it seems to take personal or close experience with the aftermath of a TBI before riders buck the trend and wear the helmet.

          Rather than berating people for not having the courage/foresight to buck the trend in the past, we should be giving them credit for trying to change the trend now so that no one who wears a helmet has to feel that they're going against the grain. That will do more for safety than judging those who weren't mavericks about helmets in the past.

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          • #6
            I think at this point CKD is simply trying to make the most out of a terrible situation. Her accident really did send a wake up call to a lot of upper level riders that ANYONE can suffer injuries doing dressage. I think raising awareness can lead to better choices. Some people who never wore a helmet may be touched by her story and decide to wear one. It may just save their life, and I think that if CKD can save one life then her accident was not in vain. And yes, I agree that she should have thought about these types of things before her accident, but hindsight is always 20/20 and the only thing she can do now is move forward.

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            • #7
              I just posted this on my fbook, too.

              Velvet, you need to change back to the ME ME ME sig line.
              __________________________
              "... if you think i'm MAD, today, of all days,
              the best day in ten years,
              you are SORELY MISTAKEN, MY LITTLE ANCHOVY."

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              • #8
                Her accident changed my use of helmets. I don't get on a horse, any horse, without wearing one. I told my then student about her, sent him the links...he wears a helmet. Because of what happened to her.

                I forwarded the article to my DH, who is not on the helmet bandwagon, yet. He has one, it fits him, but he's still the Marlboro Man in his mind. No, he doesn't smoke

                Velvet, crabs again??

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mp View Post
                  I just posted this on my fbook, too.

                  Velvet, you need to change back to the ME ME ME sig line.
                  But, it's not about me. It's about her.



                  Brother. I said there'd be a Velvet-hate pile.

                  I'm just not feeling very PC today. Just pointing at elephants...

                  Courtney is sweet. Courtney was a great rider. Courtney's accident never should have happened. We all agree on this.

                  Why is celebrity used to raise awareness for a cause? What about the other people who've been injured? How do you all feel about them? Where's the flag raised for them and their cause?

                  (BTW, this has nothing to do with the other post on titles. The other one was just a musing that has now grown into a flaming pile. )

                  People think I'm attacking, I'm asking why people are taking themselves so seriously and why THIS one cause. Why THIS one person. Why are people not responsible for themselves? (I've probably spent too much time on the Off Course topic about the 'rents suing the coach for their daughter's death.)
                  "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for sharing, this was a great article. Also loved her line, "The bottom line is no matter how 'good' you are, you can't train a horse to not trip over his own feet."

                    That actually happened to me, my horse tripped and fell on me. Luckily I escaped with only a sprained ankle. And no I wasn't wearing a helmet, but it changed my perspective very quickly and now you won't see me on a horse without one!
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                    • #11
                      I for one am happy she is speaking out. And I am all for a rule requiring helmets.

                      Then again, I am one of the helmet nazis at my barn that will tell someone they should be wearing a helmet when they don't. Even though it pisses people off. I also would never let anyone get on any horse I own without a helmet on, even the biggest BNT on the planet.
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                      • #12
                        Here's the way I look at it Velvet. Some people learn things the hard way. Some people learn things the easy way. CKD unfortunately had to learn the hard way. Hopefully lots of people will see her experience and decide to learn the helmet lesson the easy way.
                        The rebel in the grey shirt

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                          Yes, people can learn from her experiences, but the fact remains that if she hadn't given in to peer pressure and had worn a helmet when riding a horse (rather than baseball caps), this whole situation could have been avoided.
                          Velvet-

                          I am disgusted by what you wrote, but mostly the part I quoted above. Peer pressure?? Really??? I came up doing young riders at the same time Courtney did, and I don't remember anyone EVER wearing a helmet! I don't think it was a matter of peer pressure, it simply wasn't part of our attire... from the minute a dressage rider graduated to 4th level, we all ditched helmets because it was an honor to earn the top hat back then. I never remember people wearing top hats at the lower levels, and I am not really sure when that happened. I grew up learning that one day I could not wear a helmet, and that is what I set out to do. I will honestly say, since Courtney's accident, I started wearing a helmet every ride. Did I feel pressured into doing so, no... Her accident puts things into perspective, it was time that things changed. I think she is trying to do a great thing which is educate people in the other direction and change what has always been. It is like saying people put leg protection on their horses because it is a peer pressure... no, we are taking steps to protect our investment, we are now starting to see things differently... if we protect our horses legs, why have we not been protecting our heads?

                          Next time you want to make a comment like you did above, please keep it to yourself... I know if I could take back the minute I gave up to read your post I would have... but as you said "hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20."
                          Welcome to my dressage world http://www.juliefranzen.blogspot.com/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dressage_Julie View Post
                            Velvet-

                            I am disgusted by what you wrote, but mostly the part I quoted above. Peer pressure?? Really??? I came up doing young riders at the same time Courtney did, and I don't remember anyone EVER wearing a helmet! I don't think it was a matter of peer pressure, it simply wasn't part of our attire... from the minute a dressage rider graduated to 4th level, we all ditched helmets because it was an honor to earn the top hat back then. I never remember people wearing top hats at the lower levels, and I am not really sure when that happened. I grew up learning that one day I could not wear a helmet, and that is what I set out to do. I will honestly say, since Courtney's accident, I started wearing a helmet every ride. Did I feel pressured into doing so, no... Her accident puts things into perspective, it was time that things changed. I think she is trying to do a great thing which is educate people in the other direction and change what has always been. It is like saying people put leg protection on their horses because it is a peer pressure... no, we are taking steps to protect our investment, we are now starting to see things differently... if we protect our horses legs, why have we not been protecting our heads?

                            Next time you want to make a comment like you did above, please keep it to yourself... I know if I could take back the minute I gave up to read your post I would have... but as you said "hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20."
                            Disgusted? It was peer pressure. Do you think that she was allowed to ride at Lendon's without a helmet when she started out?

                            We all thought that some day you would achieve a level where you would no longer have to wear a helmet. So we started out wearing helmets and then to prove we were great riders we all wanted to get rid of our helmets so we would look as good as our idols. That is peer pressure. To fit in with others by altering your attire or doing something you know is wrong.

                            She, like many others, did it to prove that they were at the top.

                            You have a right to your feelings, but disgust at that comment, when it fits, is misplaced.

                            Read NCRider's response, she understands that part of it.

                            She's shedding light on the fact that well-known riders set trends and if the big guys don't wear helmets then most of the small guys won't either. If the big guys lead the charge, then the smart small guys will follow along.
                            "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by UniqueSaddlePads View Post
                              Thanks for sharing, this was a great article. Also loved her line, "The bottom line is no matter how 'good' you are, you can't train a horse to not trip over his own feet."

                              That actually happened to me, my horse tripped and fell on me. Luckily I escaped with only a sprained ankle. And no I wasn't wearing a helmet, but it changed my perspective very quickly and now you won't see me on a horse without one!
                              Yes, the kindest, quietest, easiest to ride horse I've ever owned once tripped at the canter, went ass over tea kettle, and sent me flying. Thank goodness he launched me out of his own way, and I was wearing a helmet, so I just dislocated a shoulder and got the wind knocked out of me.
                              "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
                              -Edward Hoagland

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                              • #16
                                Not peer pressure- it was something you earned... peer pressure is leg warmers and mile high bangs... you do nothing to earn those, you do it because they were cool to wear. I am still disgusted by your comments.
                                Welcome to my dressage world http://www.juliefranzen.blogspot.com/

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                  But, it's not about me. It's about her.



                                  Brother. I said there'd be a Velvet-hate pile.

                                  I'm just not feeling very PC today. Just pointing at elephants...

                                  Courtney is sweet. Courtney was a great rider. Courtney's accident never should have happened. We all agree on this.

                                  Why is celebrity used to raise awareness for a cause? What about the other people who've been injured? How do you all feel about them? Where's the flag raised for them and their cause?

                                  (BTW, this has nothing to do with the other post on titles. The other one was just a musing that has now grown into a flaming pile. )

                                  People think I'm attacking, I'm asking why people are taking themselves so seriously and why THIS one cause. Why THIS one person. Why are people not responsible for themselves? (I've probably spent too much time on the Off Course topic about the 'rents suing the coach for their daughter's death.)
                                  It is about you when your perspective is so limited that you can't see the illogic of what you wrote. Her "celebrity" is being used to create awareness for wearing helmets because *HELLO* she's a celebrity in the horse world, so more people are going to hear about her accident. And how preventable her injury was.

                                  I've worn a helmet for 10+ years. I'm no helmevangelist, but, like katarine, her accident gave me an opening to say something to fellow riders about how important helmets are. It also prodded me into buying a new helmet because mine was long overdue for replacement.

                                  I didn't see anyone making excuses for her. She certainly doesn't make any for herself. And your tut-tutting about personal responsibility and what she should have done is completely useless now. Going forward, however, is another story. Which is what she's doing.



                                  PS -- No hate here. You just don't make any sense.
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                                  "... if you think i'm MAD, today, of all days,
                                  the best day in ten years,
                                  you are SORELY MISTAKEN, MY LITTLE ANCHOVY."

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                    Yes, people can learn from her experiences, but the fact remains that if she hadn't given in to peer pressure and had worn a helmet when riding a horse (rather than baseball caps), this whole situation could have been avoided.
                                    Yes, it could have, but no one can go back and change that now. We can only move forward, share what we've learned from our mistakes, and hope that our experiences can help others learn without having to make the same mistakes themselves.
                                    "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
                                    -Edward Hoagland

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                                    • #19
                                      Well then to sum this up at this point:

                                      Velvet is in her own disconnected world and we all think she's full of hot air and horse *&$^

                                      and

                                      people like the letter and are passing it on via facebook


                                      Good thread.

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                                      • #20
                                        I totally agree with Velvet! Courtney was a big girl and made her own choices...now she has to live with them...end of story

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