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  • Dumb ? re Revised tests/Tempi changes

    Did I misunderstand when reading about test revisions in Coth mag a few weeks ago - 4th level? - a line of changes where is required 4's then 3's then 4's then 3's (how many times?) across the diagonal? I read and re-read - could not understand - then knowing will never do tempi changes gave up and put the mag in recycle. Now it is bugging me. Please excuse if I imagined this or if has otherwise been discussed. I am now way out of the dressage loop, but just could not conceive of what I thought I was reading. TIA.

  • #2
    Usually, that was seen in PSG...
    ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

    Originally posted by LauraKY
    I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
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    • #3
      Fourth level Test 3?
      HXF Three flying changes every fourth stride.

      Or test 2?

      MXK Three single flying changes, the first near the first quarterline, second change near X, third change near snd quarterline.

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      • #4
        Yes, you apparently misunderstood.

        But you are correct in that they have changed up the tempis in Fourth level. Gone are any 3-tempis.

        In Fourth 2, you have three flying changes across the diagonal, but no specified count. Just one near the quarterline, one near X, and one near the far quarterline. So it could be 5s or 4s (probably not 3s, but you wouldn't be penalized unless your geometry got way off) or any combination thereof.

        Then in Fourth 3, you just have one line of 3 4-tempis across the diagonal.

        Does that help?

        ETA: Geez, I must be getting slower at typing. Between the time I started my answer and the time I finished, two other people snuck in with posts.

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        • #5
          You are correct, only one line of three 'fours' in the third test of forth level.
          And the single flying changes like you said in the second test.
          ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

          Originally posted by LauraKY
          I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
          HORSING mobile training app

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            #6
            Came back to revise my question - as so befuddled could not explain. Equi - I think that is what I meant. 3 changes every 4th stride. I don't know why I think that is weird - and seemingly more difficult than "just" changes in series of 4's, 3's, 2's, 1's. Granted I have not looked at FEI tests in years, but I don't recall anything like 3 changes every 4th stride. Then will ask - revisions made to this for 2011? from what and why? TIA.

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            • #7
              The 2007 4th level test 3 required 3 changes every 4th stride AND 3 changes every 3rd.

              And the tests before that required the same.

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              • #8
                They were trying to make it more of a difference between 4-3 and PSG, more of a step up. A lot of people felt the 2007 4-3 was actually harder than PSG, so they dialed it back.

                The FEI tests go like this:
                PSG - 5 4s and 5 3s
                I1 - 5 3s and 7 2s
                I2 - 7 2s and 11 1s
                GP - 9 2s and 15 1s
                GPS - 9 2s and 15 1s then 9 more 1s on centerline

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                • #9
                  I showed fourth level last year under the 2007 tests and yes, I had to do a line of three time changes (three of them) and a line of four time changes (three of them). In PSG you have to do five of them.

                  In 2003, I showed fourth level (different horse) under the 2003 tests and had to do the same tempis, three threes and three fours. I may have even shown under the 1999 tests, and I remember the same three times and four times.

                  This generation of tests made it easier by taking out the three time changes and you only have to do three four times in test three.

                  Also you have no half pirouettes now, just working ones. Lucky you!

                  ETA: I did not think that 4/3 was more difficult than PSG. I still don't get why people think that--it is harder to do five tempis uphill than it is to do three. I'm glad I had that old 4/3 to prepare me.

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                    #10
                    So is it like this for example - 22 strides letter to letter?

                    LLLLRLRRRRLRLLLLRLRRRR

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                    • #11
                      ? What do you mean? Are you talking about the line of fours?

                      For F-X-H; start counting at H, L L L L 1 R R R R 2 L L L L 3 R R R R and keep going R left till H.

                      Maybe you should have a youtube session looking at some 4th level and PSG tests! Would help you visualized!
                      ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                      Originally posted by LauraKY
                      I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                      HORSING mobile training app

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                        #12
                        Ali - no. But good idea to try to find on utube. Does anyone still have the Coth mag that listed the revisions that confused me? Or know which issue - maybe I could re-read online.

                        I think Equi88 wrote what I am thinking - 4L T3. Three flying changes every fourth stride. ???
                        Last edited by grayarabs; Jan. 24, 2011, 11:47 PM. Reason: add

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                        • #13
                          But what movement is confusing you? (the number)
                          Because what you wrote about the 22 strides makes no sense...

                          All the new tests are online.
                          http://www.usef.org/_iframes/breedsd...getestmov.aspx
                          ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                          Originally posted by LauraKY
                          I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                          HORSING mobile training app

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                            #14
                            4L T3 - movement 25. ???

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                            • #15
                              Yeah, every four strides you have to do a flying change. You have to do it 3 times on that diagonal.
                              HXF or FXH that was just an exemple but works both ways the way I have put it down.... Start counting at te beginning of the diagonal canter left four strides, flying change to canter right for four strides, flying change to canter left for four strides, flying change to canter right till the other end of the diagonal. So HXF, 3 'fours'!

                              Me and equi88 are saying the same thing.
                              ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                              Originally posted by LauraKY
                              I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                              HORSING mobile training app

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                              • #16
                                here is a PSG where you can see a line of 'Fours' and then a line of 'Threes',
                                But since it is PSG the girl is doing 5 of each.
                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTfj...e_gdata_player
                                It is close to the end.
                                ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                Originally posted by LauraKY
                                I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                HORSING mobile training app

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by alibi_18 View Post
                                  ? What do you mean? Are you talking about the line of fours?

                                  For F-X-H; start counting at H, L L L L 1 R R R R 2 L L L L 3 R R R R and keep going R left till H.

                                  Maybe you should have a youtube session looking at some 4th level and PSG tests! Would help you visualized!
                                  Um, if you do this, you will be doing five tempis.

                                  LEFT CANTER from corner, start your first change about quarterline, count like this:
                                  CHANGE R-R-R CHANGE L-L-L CHANGE

                                  OR

                                  CHANGE 2-3-4 CHANGE 2-3-4 CHANGE

                                  The change counts as one of your canter strides!!

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                                  • #18
                                    I don't count the change as a 'stride' since it is not. The change is in the air...as in flying. My couting is correct. L L L L R R R R L L L L R R R R.
                                    Last edited by alibi_18; Jan. 25, 2011, 07:30 AM. Reason: But each its way to count...but my trainer was fine with that
                                    ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                    Originally posted by LauraKY
                                    I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                    HORSING mobile training app

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                                    • #19
                                      I think grayarabs is thinking you actually do 3 changes, as in LRL then keep cantering and do LRL again. That is not what they mean, they mean you will do three changes TOTAL on the diagonal line, and that each of those SINGLE changes will be done every four strides. Otherwise you would be doing a series of three one tempis every four strides, YIKES!

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                                      • #20
                                        All of the sequences of changes were in one test or another last time around - with the exception of 4-2, movement 20. That requires 3 single lead changes on the diagonal- with no particular spacing between them. It was meant as a step between single changes and sequence changes. You are supposed to change near the quarter line, near the center line, and near the 3/4 line- but the exact striding isn't mandated in the test so that the rider can wait for a good moment to ask for the change.

                                        4-3, movement 25 is exactly what used to be in 4-3 - three lead changes on the diagonal (just as in 4-2), but with exactly four strides between each lead change.

                                        They don't mean 3 lead changes every 4 strides (as in 3 1-tempis, canter 4 strides, 3 1-tempis...). They mean 3 lead changes, with one occurring every 4 canter strides.

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