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  • USEF Convention

    Anyone know if DR120 (helmet rule) passed?

  • #2
    I believe so, because the eventers are talking about it! I always wear my helmet, so at 2nd level the rule won't change my way of going!
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    • #3
      Yep USEF posted on Facebook. Helmets mandatory at 4th and below and for all juniors.

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      • #4
        When does it start?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Big Spender View Post
          I believe so, because the eventers are talking about it! I always wear my helmet, so at 2nd level the rule won't change my way of going!
          Two different rule changes. One for eventing, a different one for dressage.
          Janet

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          • #6
            I am really glad this helmet rule passed. I hope the FEI will consider it in the future.

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            • #7
              It goes into effect March 1, 2011.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by yaya View Post
                When does it start?
                According to THIS
                http://www.usef.org/documents/ruleChanges/313-10.pdf
                March 1 2011
                Janet

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by n2dressage View Post
                  Yep USEF posted on Facebook. Helmets mandatory at 4th and below and for all juniors.
                  Good deal. Kudos to USEF!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Janet View Post
                    Two different rule changes. One for eventing, a different one for dressage.
                    Thanks, I do realize that, but just noticed that only the eventers have been discussing it, specifically Eventing Nation, and they had also mentioned that the Dressage rule had passed. Hope I didn't confuse anyone.
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                    • #11
                      so I guess the next question is...what is everyone going to do with their tophats?
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                      • #12
                        Here we go. They couldn't force it down the throats of the adult hunter riders, but they force it on the adult dressage riders.

                        Yes, we must be protected from our ourselves. No one can be allowed to make decisions for themselves. (I do wear a helmet all the time when schooling at home, but it DO NOT want them deciding for me, an adult, if I can or cannot wear a hat rather than helmet. )

                        Is this legal? Can they truly pass this for adults? Interesting question for the courts to answer...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                          Here we go. They couldn't force it down the throats of the adult hunter riders, but they force it on the adult dressage riders.

                          Yes, we must be protected from our ourselves. No one can be allowed to make decisions for themselves. (I do wear a helmet all the time when schooling at home, but it DO NOT want them deciding for me, an adult, if I can or cannot wear a hat rather than helmet. )

                          Is this legal? Can they truly pass this for adults? Interesting question for the courts to answer...
                          They can make you wear boots and breeches (or jods) and even dictate the color restrictions for your clothing. Are you going to go to court so you can show in tennis shoes?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                            They can make you wear boots and breeches (or jods) and even dictate the color restrictions for your clothing. Are you going to go to court so you can show in tennis shoes?
                            Interesting. Has anyone ever been kicked out of a show for incorrect attire? Anyone know?

                            (I'm not taking them to court, I'm just saying I can see someone reaching a point where they say enough is enough, and they go to court over it. The hunters went nuts and they decided it wasn't worth the battle.)
                            "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                              Is this legal? Can they truly pass this for adults? Interesting question for the courts to answer...

                              I'm no legal expert, but I'd be shocked if the answer was anything but yes. Why wouldn't an organization be able to say "to participate in our events, for which we procure insurance, you need X for safety equipment"? It's your choice to participate in the organization's events. Is it any different than a private facility requiring that everyone wear helmets?

                              But even if the helmet law was much broader (say, government mandated - NOT something I'm advocating, but bear with me in the hypothetical), I imagine the arguments for the mandate would bear a lot of resemblance to the current seat belt laws. Back when states first started mandating seat belts, people were up in arms about their liberties, how could the government make these decisions for them, etc. - I'm fairly sure there were court cases on it, and it was ultimately decided it was within the state's rights. And nowadays, most everyone seems comfortable with the state being able to require seat belts, and we've seen a lot of safety improvements due to increased seat belt wearing.

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                              • #16
                                I agree with Velvet!

                                Go ahead, yell at me. I wear a helmet for schooling all the time. But I like to have the choice when in the show ring and I LOVE my hunt cap look for lower level.

                                Now I need to go and shell out $100 or more for a show helmet. I like black velvet hats and that is complete opposite of my schooling hemet. It is blue plastic:-) And the covers do not look good on it. I used one when my horse was first showing.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                                  Is this legal? Can they truly pass this for adults? Interesting question for the courts to answer...
                                  Of course it is. Just as the organizations that set the rules for motorcycle and car racing can mandate SNELL approved helmets for adults.
                                  Janet

                                  chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                  • #18
                                    An interesting point came up for discussion the other night at our GMO awards party, before the rule change was known. A trainer, who's farm rule is to wear helmets when mounted on the grounds, and is hosting 3 recognized shows at the farm, was told that if the USEF rule didn't pass, she couldn't do anything about enforcing the farm rule for helmets. Hypothetically, what happens if someone gets hurt at one of the shows? Farm rule is for helmets, but USEF rule-no requirement. Talk about a potential legal mess!!
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                                    • #19
                                      Put a harness on your velvet hunt cap

                                      Originally posted by arbeegirl View Post
                                      I agree with Velvet!

                                      Go ahead, yell at me. I wear a helmet for schooling all the time. But I like to have the choice when in the show ring and I LOVE my hunt cap look for lower level.

                                      Now I need to go and shell out $100 or more for a show helmet. I like black velvet hats and that is complete opposite of my schooling hemet. It is blue plastic:-) And the covers do not look good on it. I used one when my horse was first showing.
                                      There are plenty of velvet hunt caps with harnesses. and some are even ASTM approved.
                                      Look into the Charles Owen hunt caps.
                                      MW
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                                      • #20
                                        That is for sure due to insurance fees

                                        Originally posted by Big Spender View Post
                                        An interesting point came up for discussion the other night at our GMO awards party, before the rule change was known. A trainer, who's farm rule is to wear helmets when mounted on the grounds, and is hosting 3 recognized shows at the farm, was told that if the USEF rule didn't pass, she couldn't do anything about enforcing the farm rule for helmets. Hypothetically, what happens if someone gets hurt at one of the shows? Farm rule is for helmets, but USEF rule-no requirement. Talk about a potential legal mess!!
                                        and I'll bet she can enforce the helmet rule on her farm, I do on mine.
                                        And it is driven in part by my insurance company. They will hit me with swingeing fines if I don't enforce the rule.

                                        So if they make a big enough fuss about it. she might well decide to cancel the shows.
                                        MW
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