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  • eye of the beholder... draftX for what??? $$

    I've been looking awhile, and found one that is suitable. The problem is, I can't get past the fundamentals on paper:
    DraftX, under 10 yo, shown WT & TL, sane = > $10k

    Is this normal or crazy? There are certainly redeeming good qualities, but are they worth it? How does one do this math? I'm in no hurry, just not sure if I should pass this one up, and keep on walking. Thanks in advance

  • #2
    Keep walking. For 10K, they should at least be showing first level.
    Last edited by sar2008; Jan. 11, 2011, 02:56 PM.

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    • #3
      This is simply my personal opinion, but I would want a draft cross to be showing first level if they wanted $10,000 for it. At training level I would be willing to pay more like $5,000 if it had a great temperament and the ability to do first level in the future.

      Of course you have to factor in movement, I mean if the horse just so happens to move like a dreamboat and is getting great scores at TL, then I might go up a bit in price. Just food for thought. A horse is only ever worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

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      • #4
        I would pay over $10k for a horse who had at least 7/8 movement, potential well beyond its current level, a good temperament, sound, and was a size appropriate to me. It woudl also have to have a "look" that I like. I prefer long legged and short backed, though the back is somewhat due to my own shortness - I do better on short-backed horses.

        Breed wouldn't matter to me at that point, unless I were hoping to breed, in which case I would rule this draft X out.

        Certainly for that price I do not expect a horse likely to win at GP. But I would expect a horse who looks to have ability to both collect and extend, with at least some suspension, especially as unless this under 10 year old is 5 it's behind the scale on training for an upper level horse.

        If you just want a nice, pleasant horse to play around on and don't care about ever getting above training level, I think you can find something you find very visually appealing for much less.
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        • #5
          For perspective, I sold my then 7 yo DraftX, who had shown very successfully through First (and mediocre scores at 2nd), been there/done that all over the East Coast (literally from Devon as a 4 yo to the Dressage4Kids festival with the trainer's daughter, etc.), sound, saintly---for $15K.
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          • #6
            Depends on a few factors aside from the horse. Before the economy tanked, a sound nice looking horse 16.2 hands or over went for $10k in my area, without any training!

            Now with the present economy, the question is more whether the seller can afford to wait to sell him. If $10k is more than you want to spend, and you think that they can afford to wait it out, then keep looking. You are bound to find a nice horse that is for sale because the owner is unemployed or whatever. You will have to do a lot of footwork--and, you never know when the economy will turn around and price you out of the market.
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            • #7
              It really depends on the individual. It may be a fair price, or the owners may be delusional. If he's out of your price range, you can always ask how negotiable the price is before you look at him.

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              • #8
                Mine was just started in first level when I got him and he was 6. He's 16.3 and I paid $11k This was in May of 2010

                That 11k was the best money I've ever spent. This horse is worth his weight in gold and is going to be starting 2nd this spring.
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                • #9
                  What is good temperament and perfect fit (for you) worth to you?

                  Lets play a math game:
                  Trip to see horse (out of driving range): 1000-1500 with airfare, car rental, hotel.
                  That does not include the hassle of travel (and the "personal" touch so many "enjoy" at the airports), setting up babysitting/critter sitting, etc., not to mention time lost at work or the use of vacation time.
                  Pre-purchase exam : 250-3k depending on the amount of x-rays and other advanced diagnostics
                  Commission/day fees for trainer/advisor - factor in on an individual basis.
                  Oh yeah, and lets not forget the risk of riding an "unknown" - all horses can spook or have an off day, or may be grossly misrepresented - I have heard it all ways. Trip to the emergency room, or even landing on my duff an extra time - no thanks!
                  Those cost do not seem insignificant to me.

                  Having a horse YOU are happy with - PRICELESS, IMO.
                  So, if the critter is just what you want and within your budget, WHY would you waste time, money and energy looking for a cheaper option? For bargain bragging rights?

                  I have no knowledge of draft x prices, just saying about horse buying in general.
                  Horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
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                  • #10
                    I saw a Spanish Norman (Andy/Percheron cross) listed for 13k a few months ago. I have only seen a small handful of these crosses that even slightly resemble an Andalusian. This one was no exception, he looked like a full Percheron. Had only done intro.

                    If this one you are looking at is a popular draft cross that resembles a WB, like a TB/Clyde cross, then he might be worth it if he has quality gaits. In my opinion, you can probably find better for the price.

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                    • #11
                      Paid 15 K seven years ago for a dreamboat. Shire/TH X and perfect for the adult amateur, coming back to riding, full figured. He's beautiful, sweet, and well trained. We've done well at the shows. He's worth every cent and more. While his dressage training when I bought him was limited and he had no show record, he was perfect for me and we learned together.

                      The adult amateur needs to look for more than a show record.

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                      • #12
                        What's to stop you making an offer that fits your fundamentals on paper?

                        That's how you find out what a horse is worth--what the buyer and the seller agree it's worth.
                        Ring the bells that still can ring
                        Forget your perfect offering
                        There is a crack in everything
                        That's how the light gets in.

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                        • #13
                          There are draft crosses, and there are draft crosses. Some are worth a nice price and some aren't. I've seen some remarkably nice ones and some that I wouldn't give you one dollar for. It all depends on the individual.

                          A horse that has shown Training level could well be doing First/Second level work in schooling. I wouldn't dismiss this one without taking a further look. As MelantheLLC said, there's nothing to stop you from making an offer.
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                          • #14
                            Have you priced a draftx field hunter
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                              There are draft crosses, and there are draft crosses. Some are worth a nice price and some aren't. I've seen some remarkably nice ones and some that I wouldn't give you one dollar for. It all depends on the individual.
                              This, there are breeders doing purpose bred draft x that are very nice and there are the typical CL type with no purpose in mind except they had a mare and neighbor had a stallion. A nice moving, great temperment horse is worth a lot to many.
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                              • #16
                                Another example for perspective - I sold my draft cross, 16.3 hands, winning at Novice level eventing, always in the top three after dressage, packer extraordinaire, broke to drive, BOMBPROOF (he was an ex - big city carriage horse so when I say bombproof, I mean it), safe for a kid to ride, 8 years old, for $12. A bit lower than what I could have gotten for him, but the right home was worth it to me.
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                                • #17
                                  I was in a similar situation as you last year. Found a horse I loved; was within my price range but I thought was more $ than he was worth on paper. Bought him anyway.

                                  Others have told me that I didn't over pay because of what/who he is and what his potential is.

                                  I still think I paid a little too much (about 15% more than I thought he was worth) but I love him and do not regret buying him. A truly good horse is hard to find (those with issues - a dime a dozen).

                                  Think to yourself would you regret not having him or would you regret not having the extra $ that you think he is overpriced by?

                                  Good luck.

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                                  • #18
                                    The difference should be what the horse has been taught. But the difference between this completely green draft cross at 800 (probably could be had for 700) and 10K should be pretty striking!
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                                    • #19
                                      Much maligned though they be, it's still difficult to FIND a nice draft cross that is showing in anything. By nice I don't mean PSG either, just a nice-looking, reasonably athletic animal with correct gaits.

                                      A horse with a show record who is over the magic 16hh, under 10, no lameness issues and isn't a wreck to look at...I'd expect to pay at least $7500, no matter what the breeding. If I got on the horse and it w/t/c both ways and did some cavaletti and I could get a simple change out of it? I'd happily write that $10K check.

                                      While you see draft x foals and wild draft x mares up for cheap on CL and kijiji, VERY few are trained and have done something.
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                                      • #20
                                        The draft crosses have gotten so popular that they are bringing some decent money. I couldn't afford to buy a made one and decided to get something green. I got a Percheron/Morgan cross that is a doll but he was suppose to be a 4 year old and when he got off the trailer at my farm he wound up being only 2!.....well, now he's 3 but still! A little younger then I wanted but that's not his fault. He is a cutie. Good luck with looking. It's not easy and if I could afford $10,000 I would put that out on a nice horse that is doing really well in TL and ready to move up to First.
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