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  • Speak to me of... motorcycle turns

    I love to watch sales videos and one thing that I keep seeing over and over is motorcycle turns in horses that are supposedly dressage trained.
    Am I expecting too much? Is it an epidemic?
    "The mighty oak is a nut who stood its ground"

    "...you'll never win Olympic gold by shaking a carrot stick at a warmblood..." see u at x

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    Oh, I thought you wanted training tips for the perfect motorcycle turn. I've got those down pat.
    http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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    • #3
      link to an example
      ?
      www.destinationconsensusequus.com
      chaque pas est fait ensemble

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        #4
        Originally posted by Petstorejunkie View Post
        link to an example
        ?
        I would but...
        I wouldn't want to post a link someone else's video, especially since the discussion would likely be uncomplimentary.
        "The mighty oak is a nut who stood its ground"

        "...you'll never win Olympic gold by shaking a carrot stick at a warmblood..." see u at x

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stacie View Post
          I love to watch sales videos and one thing that I keep seeing over and over is motorcycle turns in horses that are supposedly dressage trained.
          Am I expecting too much? Is it an epidemic?
          I attended an UL clinic this fall, riders with aspirations to PSG next year,other riders unsuccessfully working on canter pirouettes.
          These riders were frequently reminded, to use their outside legs, at even essentially basic work such as S/I. Without the outside wall, and even with it, these riders were not maintaining bend.

          So motorcycle turns are not an epidemic, but there do seem to be a lot of riders entirely unaware of where and how to use their bodies.
          Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

          Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Stacie View Post
            I love to watch sales videos and one thing that I keep seeing over and over is motorcycle turns in horses that are supposedly dressage trained.
            Am I expecting too much? Is it an epidemic?
            I say this as someone who has a LOT of flaws I'm working on fixing, and certainly doesn't know a lot.

            But yeah, I see them all over. I've learned that people who have been riding for years seem to be unable to feel a motorcycle turn often, too. I'm not sure I understand how that even happens.

            I think I still prefer that to the waterskiing I see everywhere, though.


            (Me? I just can't keep consistent contact, still tend to not sit up straight enough, look down too often...and lots more.)
            Originally posted by Silverbridge
            If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

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            • #7
              One of my favorite things to say to myself while I ride is "Be the bus." Buses do not have that flexibility to turn like a motorcycle does, and when I feel my front end start to go off on its own, I chant that phrase, and if I don't catch myself in time, I do the next.

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                #8
                Originally posted by netg View Post
                (Me? I just can't keep consistent contact, still tend to not sit up straight enough, look down too often...and lots more.)
                Seems like most of the pictures of dressage riders in competition have the rider looking down.

                Edited to add: Shows how hard it is to not do it!
                Last edited by Stacie; Jan. 23, 2011, 12:27 PM.
                "The mighty oak is a nut who stood its ground"

                "...you'll never win Olympic gold by shaking a carrot stick at a warmblood..." see u at x

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                • #9
                  Yeah, isn't that bad! All those people riding so badly...wasting trainers' time by having them repeating over and over how they should correctly ride...
                  Don't understand why such bad riders still take lessons...

                  And sale videos? Why don't buy horses only from really really good top riders? We then wouldn't have to deal with crappy riders who tries their best but are sooo not meetin the riding skills expectations from buyers.

                  People do videos to sell their horses, not their riding skills. Unless you were looking for a new trainer?
                  At least if you had said, the video was bad because it was shaky or dark or far away view....but bad riders?!? Who really gives a s$@"?

                  People take lessons to get better and improve their skills and knowledge.
                  We should be happy people take lessons!!! And try their best!!! They might never become top riders with top seat, hands and legs but Hey! They are taking good lessons and do their best!
                  Unless the people in the clinic weren't trying AT ALL to do whatever the trainer was saying....but still...

                  My idea? I do my best and don't care about others' expectation. Nor do I really care about where others are in their own learning process. Yeah I can ackowledge some are really bad riders and maybe should go down a level but who am I to tell them? And they are not my trainer... So except from bad visual content, I don't care!
                  ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                  Originally posted by LauraKY
                  I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
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                  • #10
                    The result of inadequate teachers/trainers, who can't teach the outside aids effectively.
                    ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                    • #11
                      Never heard of this before. Sounds rather silly.

                      What the heck is a "motorcycle turn" in relationship to horses? What is a "motorcycle turn" in relationship to motorcycles, anyway?

                      Horses have 4 legs, and are living creatures. Motorcycles have 2 wheels, and are machines. No relationship between the two, except that people sit on both of them.

                      Please explain.

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                      • #12
                        I'd like to know too. I'm not a dressage rider, so I'm not aware of the phrase. But if I put 'motorcycle turn', and 'be the bus' together, I'm guessing that it means the neck is bent in the first, and the horse is straighter in the second?

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                        • #13
                          A motorcycle leans into a turn, like this:

                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSWVH...eature=related

                          So a "motorcycle turn" is a horse leaning into a turn, no bend, not balanced and upright, no self-carriage.

                          Drives me nuts too, OP.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stacie View Post
                            I would but...
                            I wouldn't want to post a link someone else's video, especially since the discussion would likely be uncomplimentary.
                            would you pm to me???

                            Tamara in TN
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
                              Never heard of this before. Sounds rather silly.

                              What the heck is a "motorcycle turn" in relationship to horses? What is a "motorcycle turn" in relationship to motorcycles, anyway?

                              Horses have 4 legs, and are living creatures. Motorcycles have 2 wheels, and are machines. No relationship between the two, except that people sit on both of them.

                              Please explain.
                              Horse leaning in to the turn.
                              ... _. ._ .._. .._

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Stacie View Post
                                Seems like most of the pictures of dressage riders in competition have the rider looking down.
                                Ha, ha! Only in America, right?

                                Yep, as Rubyfree said "drives me nuts, OP"; I'd have to agree. Sounds really silly.

                                I a more correct way of saying it is that the horse is not on the outside rein (rider not riding inside leg to outside rein) though the turn, the horse is dropping the inside shoulder, and maybe even has the haunches to the inside?

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                                • #17
                                  to me its horses falling into/over their shoulder when they turn, many times the rider leans in too. So kinda turning shoulder first instead of nose first. So naturally to fix you need to correct the bend and follow the nose around the arc. For some people with horses that "fall in" alot it helps to start the fix by raising the inside hand to lift the shoulder and apply more outside leg to move the ribcage and hip forward toward that shoulder... if that makes any sense. Also LOTS of serpentines and squiggly lines are good practice once you are aware of what the shoulders are doing.
                                  I can explain it TO you,but I can't understand it FOR you

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Stacie View Post
                                    I love to watch sales videos and one thing that I keep seeing over and over is motorcycle turns in horses that are supposedly dressage trained.
                                    Am I expecting too much? Is it an epidemic?
                                    so don't watch those videos, watch the videos of WEG/PANAMS/CDI***etc

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                                    • #19
                                      @Mickeydoodle :
                                      Originally posted by Stacie View Post
                                      Seems like most of the pictures of dressage riders in competition have the rider looking down.
                                      Seems no one is good enough.
                                      ~ Enjoying some guac and boxed wine at the Blue Saddle inn. ~

                                      Originally posted by LauraKY
                                      I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.
                                      HORSING mobile training app

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                                        #20
                                        To be considered as working or competing at a certain level, maintaining the bend on the circles required for that level would seem to be a minimal requirement. Which is why I'm stunned by all the sales videos of horses claimed to be competing at first who can't hold a bend on a 20 meter circle. I am not inclined to place blame on horse or rider, I was just curious as to how common this is, as I seem to be seeing it all over in the sales videos. To me, it seems a basic requirement, which is why I wondered whether I was just expecting too much.
                                        I think it's rather sad if all these people think they are working at first and are still struggling with basics and either do not know it or live in denial about it. Because you know they are out there on their horses trying to ride them as best they can and there is a disconnect somewhere. Or worse, the sales videos are for trainer owned horses that are stiff as a board being misrepresented.
                                        "The mighty oak is a nut who stood its ground"

                                        "...you'll never win Olympic gold by shaking a carrot stick at a warmblood..." see u at x

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