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Need help finind a special KK bit

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  • Need help finind a special KK bit

    I was kind of lucky when I bought my snaffle. It's actually a bradoon because the large rings look funny on my horse's small face. It's also a 14mm thickness instead of the standard 16mm for a snaffle. I remember when I went to Dover they were certain that Herm Sprenger didn't make a bradoon of that width in the length I needed (I think the length is 5 and 1/4 although it could be 5 and 1/2 if I'm not measuring it right, I can't remember what it was when I got it) and from somewhere the clerk found just this last one left.

    Except now my horse is in the double and I do a lot of alternate schooling between the double and snaffle and I would like to buy another one of these bits so I don't have to keep switching. Does anyone have any idea where I can look? One wouldn't think this is a special bit but because it's a single joint and not many people use single joints any more, it does seem to be hard to find in the dimensions I need.

    And also what is the proper way to measure the length of a loose ring? Is it from the inner edges of the holes or is it to the edge of the ring?

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    • Original Poster

      Thanks. I don't see it there but they do have an S shaped curb I'm drooling over. If only I had $380....


      • #4


        Measure from the inside edge of the rings.
        "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller


        • #5
          lots of places have the bit--smart pak for example (it's on the page below the bit in the link above):

          one oak, lots of canyons



          • Original Poster

            That seems to be a 16mm though and I'm pretty sure mine is a 14mm.


            • #7
              from the smartpak ad:

              << The Herm Sprenger KK Ultra Aurigan Bradoon is offered in mouth sizes 5", 5 1/4", 5 3/4", 6 1/8". 55mm stainless steel rings. 14mm thickness."

              most bradoons are 14 mm...
              one oak, lots of canyons



              • Original Poster

                You're looking at the ultra. I'm looking at the single-jointed one.


                • #9

                  They have a 13 mm Aurigan bradoon
                  See those flying monkeys? They work for me.


                  • #10
                    Look at the HS Turnado from SmartPak (see first link posted). It's a single-joint 14mm bradoon. Nice bit.
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                    • #11
                      Posted by Shiaway:

                      Thanks. I don't see it there but they do have an S shaped curb I'm drooling over. If only I had $380....
                      Isn't that bit gorgeous? I think they say it was made from an antique pattern


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by coloredhorse View Post
                        Look at the HS Turnado from SmartPak (see first link posted). It's a single-joint 14mm bradoon. Nice bit.
                        The OP called it a KK bit, and I think that is why she can't find it. If I am not mistaken all of Sprenger's KK model bits are double jointed.
                        "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller


                        • #13
                          Just go check on 'herm sprenger' website:


                          and order from one of the dealer near you!


                          • #14
                            My local good tack store was able to pull the catolog and special order from Sprenger for Mr too small for two bits

                            Visit or call a local tack store that stocks Sprenger and ask them to check and order one in.
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