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  • help with wintec exchangable gullet system

    So Santa brought me the Wintec exchangable gullet system for Christmas and now I'm trying to figure out how to use it. I have a wintec Isabella dressage saddle that I'm trying to fit on my 15.2-15.3 hand tb mare. My trainer, barn owner, barn owner's daughter and I were all standing in my mare's stall yesterday trying to figure out the measuring guide. If you place the measuring guide at her withers like it says then its measuring at medium wide. She does not have very much fat on her at all. My trainer and I feel that the saddle pitches us forward when we are riding (currently has the medium gullet in it). Has anyone used this before and any tips or suggestions? Thanks!
    Originally posted by Sithly
    do NOT give your 5 year old child a big bag of apples and send her out alone into a herd of 20-some horses to get mobbed. There are better ways to dispose of unwanted children.

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    I usually place the guide about three fingers widths behind shoulder to get the measurement.

    Changing the gullet only changes how the saddle fits across her shoulders/withers; it does not change the shape of the tree/pannels lengthwise. Your horse may not fit the shape of the wintec tree lengthwise.

    You also may need to consider the shape of the horse's withers/shoulders. Some horses need a more U shaped gullet, and some a V shape. A horse that needs a more U shaped gullet will measure wider than it really needs with the wintec system. If that is the case the wintec gullets will not work for your horse.
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      I find the measuring gauge very difficult to use, depending where you put it and how much pressure you put on it, you can get it to read almost anything! I like to just set the gullets on the horse, behind the shoulder blade where the front of the saddle would sit. If the gullet is too narrow, the bottom of it will be digging into the horse, if it's too wide, it won't contact the horse at all. Somewhere in between you will find the right one, where the angle of the gullet matches the angle of the horse's body. Fitting these saddles definitely seems to be a little more of an art than a science!
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      • #4
        Originally posted by GallantGesture View Post
        I find the measuring gauge very difficult to use, depending where you put it and how much pressure you put on it, you can get it to read almost anything! I like to just set the gullets on the horse, behind the shoulder blade where the front of the saddle would sit. If the gullet is too narrow, the bottom of it will be digging into the horse, if it's too wide, it won't contact the horse at all. Somewhere in between you will find the right one, where the angle of the gullet matches the angle of the horse's body. Fitting these saddles definitely seems to be a little more of an art than a science!
        Agree. I do not use the guide. Tried it, and found it never worked. I have used more of a trial and error method, swapping them out when the fit did not seem right. The above method seems like it makes a lot of sense, and it is the one I will use next time I have to do this.

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          #5
          Thanks for the suggestion - will place the gullets on her tomorrow and see what works.
          Originally posted by Sithly
          do NOT give your 5 year old child a big bag of apples and send her out alone into a herd of 20-some horses to get mobbed. There are better ways to dispose of unwanted children.

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          • #6
            The Wintec Isabell, based on the deep, sloping seat and flat pommel, tends to pitch some people forward anyway. There's a good chance if that is your issue that it's how the saddle fits you, not how it fits the horse.

            But don't even get me started on Wintec's crappy customer service and products that end up with broken trees. I am so done with them.

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              Originally posted by Hampton Bay View Post
              The Wintec Isabell, based on the deep, sloping seat and flat pommel, tends to pitch some people forward anyway. There's a good chance if that is your issue that it's how the saddle fits you, not how it fits the horse.

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              Do you have any saddle recommendations that dont pitch the rider forward. Preferably on the cheaper side?
              Originally posted by Sithly
              do NOT give your 5 year old child a big bag of apples and send her out alone into a herd of 20-some horses to get mobbed. There are better ways to dispose of unwanted children.

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              • #8
                Depends on your specific pelvic conformation. Sit on a hard chair, knees bent and legs apart like you are riding in a very chair-seat position. Pelvis neutral, not on your pockets, back not hollow. How many fingers can you fit between the chair and the middle seam on your jeans? That spot where both seams meet.

                If you can fit 3 to 4, a Kieffer would likely work well if you don't mind a harder seat. You can find them used for $500 to $800, and they last forever. The OLD Passiers also work well, but not any of the newer models. Look for a PSL, or something with plain flaps.

                The big thing is to look for something that doesn't have a flat pommel, and that has either a shallow seat, or one that has a nice roomy flat spot to sit. If the seat slopes up more gradually, and the pommel is flat, you're much more likely to be tipped forward.

                Also make sure the seat size is correct. If it's too small, that can also contribute to tipping forward. And the Isabell tends to ride pretty small.

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                • #9
                  There's some good fitting advice on Foxhunter Tack's website

                  http://www.foxhunter.on.ca/tackshop.htm
                  Last edited by Equine Studies; Dec. 29, 2010, 09:52 PM. Reason: mistake in url
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                  • #10
                    I had a Wintec 2000 when I first started riding, so that's my experience with the changeable gullets, I agree with everyone else who said throw out the measuring tool and just try a bunch.

                    That saddle worked really well on a variety of horses...unless you're fairly adept at saddle fitting though, don't try to "guess." My little leased 14.3 3/4 Arab mare took the extra wide gullet, my Clydesdale mare took the wide, my 16.2hh thoroughbred fit the Medium-narrow, my little stock horse who looked like a beer barrel wore the medium. *shrug* CHT is correct, you can't size the Wintecs based on gullet alone, the rest of the tree affects where the saddle hits on the wither too, as does the pad you plan to use.

                    My saddle fitter (who I think is quite good) has told me a few times that the Wintecs are kind to a wide variety of horses, but even when they fit the horse they tend to only fit a narrow range of riders. Because of my height (5'10", mostly leg) and size (180lbs and athletic) the Wintecs tend to rock me back into a chair seat on my pockets with stirrup bars too far forward and too steep a twist (I think it's the twist??)
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                    • #11
                      That guide they give you is not very accurate at all. For my horse, even with the help of a saddle fitter, it will always give you the wrong gullet size. You are better off just setting the gullets themselves on the horse and seeing how the angles fit his body.
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                      • #12
                        count me in with the gage is useless crowd. Wintec suggests that for a horse in poor condition or needing back muscle devlopment, you use a slightly wider gullet plate and add extra padding or a riser pad temporarily until the muscles catch up.

                        For the rider, it depends on the model. Isabel is built with a deeper seat and wider twist with more rise, Pro is built with a flatter seat, narrower twist and lower rise. pro will fit larger, isabel will fit smaller, and your comfrot will depend on your pelvic shape. Those few women who ahve a typical female pelvic shape will be more comfy in the isabel; the majority of us with a more androgynous pelvic shape will prefer the pro. I haven't tried the 500 model, but have ridden a lot in the Pro and a little in the isabel- it was not comfy for me and got sent back after a one week trial.


                        Hampton, your one note song about Wintec customer service is getting tiresome, I've read it on so many of these threads over time.

                        I found it depends on your local supplier and I had super customer service from Wintec through our local outlet when the first one I bought had a problem and had to be sent back.
                        "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by CatOnLap View Post
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                          Hampton, your one note song about Wintec customer service is getting tiresome, I've read it on so many of these threads over time....
                          So is dealing with their customer service. By the time my saddle is fixed, it will have been almost a year. If I can keep one person from possibly having to go through this mess, then I'll count it as a success. That's why I post my experience, because not everybody reads all the threads, and I wish I had known how awful the customer service could be before I bought my saddle. I would not have bought it.

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                          • #14
                            I feel the same way about S C H L E E S E. Mine came from the factory with a broken tree and they refused to replace it. Shall I now go on and on about it? I doubt it ever stopped anyone from buying from them.
                            "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by CatOnLap View Post
                              I feel the same way about S C H L E E S E. Mine came from the factory with a broken tree and they refused to replace it. Shall I now go on and on about it? I doubt it ever stopped anyone from buying from them.
                              If you don't want to read it, ignore it. Quite simple.

                              But yes, if I were looking to buy a Schleese, I would absolutely want to know about people who have had broken products and the company has been difficult to deal with. Because my money and time are too important to me to have to deal with that crap. I have enough drama in my life due to some druggie in-laws. I don't want saddle drama too.

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                              • #16
                                maybe you buy the inlaws some tickets to the Bates factory in Australia?
                                "The Threat of Internet Ignorance: ... we are witnessing the rise of an age of equestrian disinformation, one where a trusting public can graze on nonsense packaged to look like fact."-LRG-AF

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                                • #17
                                  Actually as you are aware most everything in Australia is backwards.
                                  The toliets flush in the opposite direction, the light switches go up instead of down to turn the light off, the old style telephones had zero at the top and so on. Seems more understandable now, that they have some issues with saddle fit guages.

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