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    I get really annoyed when I pay $150+ for a lesson and the trainer sits on his/her butt in the corner of the arena and yells at me across the arena. I think the trainer needs to be closer to the combination to really see what is happening and to offer assistance. I also think it is just bad manners, I know being on your feet all day is tiring, but, hey, you chose this proffession. I had a trainer, who is now retired, but he would be on his feet close to the rider for the entire lesson and he was 73 years old! He was also a top rider in his day, competing at the highest levels in all three Olympic disciplines. He used to say that when he was doing his bereiter training in Germany, they were taught that they always had to be standing while teaching. It's an etiquette thing. I feel this is especially important with lower level riders and it also just shows that you respect your students. Is this just me, or does anyone else feel like this too?

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    This would only happen to me ONCE and then I would go elsewhere. They have a gravy train thing going on, so it is the fault of those who pay this lazy person, not the other way around. There are a LOT of trainers who have students who are not serious and for them it is a social thing, so the trainer only has to pander ans BS for their 45 minutes and collect the money. When a serious rider comes in, these trainers think they can get away with the BS.
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    • #3
      I've had one trainer that didn't know how to sit (energizer bunny......) and one who sits sometimes- usually on a fence.
      I've been to clinics w/ clinicians who stand and those who sit. Never really thought much about it, so I guess I dont really care so long as I'm getting good input.
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      • #4
        I agree, this is not acceptable! When someone is sitting at the other end of the arena, you tend to have to strain to even hear them which is taking focus off what you are trying to work on. Especially when you are paying that kind of $$. I've never had a trainer do that, especially the more expensive ones. If it is a one time thing, ok I'll give you a break but more than once and buh-bye!
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        • #5
          I too am less concerned with whether an instructor is sitting or standing or moving throughout my lesson as long as they are an active participant. That means they are keeping their eyes on me, commenting on what I am or am not doing and offering advice on how to improve/handle a situation. What I can't stand is when a clinician spends more time talking to the peanut gallery than actively teaching the rider/horse combination. I realize that there are symposia which are designed for the auditors (I've ridden in those too) which I am assuming is not what is being discussed here.

          If I am paying for a lesson I expect the clinician/riding instructor to maintain their dialogue with me, not the 3 railbirds sitting behind him/her especially if they asked me to canter a 10 meter circle and due to their chattiness 5 circles later remember I'm still there waiting for their next instruction/critique. Actually I have stopped my riding while I've waited out a chatty cathy clinician instead of pounding my horse into the dirt because they saw the occasion as a more social one than I did. To be clear, I do not mind that they answer questions of spectators' regarding the lesson and applicable to what is going on but I do mind when they go off on tangents clearly discussing things that should wait until after the lesson is over especially when the clock is ticking.
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          • #6
            I don't care if the instructor sits or stands. Content is more important.

            The last clinician I rode with who sat throughout most of the session had one of those walkie-talkie devices to connect trainer & rider. It was great! No problems hearing his comments. I think the auditors at the clinic didn't like it because he could speak to riders in a conversational tone. That made it hard for the auditors to listen in on the teaching.

            I can't teach if I'm sitting! I've tried it, but prefer to stand & walk.

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            • #7
              I have to say - my trainer sits at one end of the arena most of the time. But her attention is on me, her arena is well lit, and she has a nice sounds system that ensures I can hear what she's saying. Doesn't bother me at all.
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              • #8
                I am 65 and a cancer survivor who got very unfit while having a stem cell transplant. I tend to sit or walk, as standing still makes my back hurt.

                As a rider, I don't care if the instructor sits, stands, walks, whatever, as long as the lesson is good and she/he is paying attention to me and my horse.

                My sister takes from an FEI rider who, now that it is so cold, wraps himself up in an electric blanket and sits in one corner out of the wind. He's working her butt off and they are making great progress.

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                • #9
                  When I took my coaching certification we we taught to place ourselves at a vantage point where we could see both sides of the horse and rider.
                  I'm quite happy if the coach is on the side of the arena, but I struggle with hearing, and really like them to have a sound system.

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                  • #10
                    From an instructor's point of view, I often go to the corner of the ring, as I can see A LOT more from the outside than the inside. It's not a laziness issue - I will go wherever I can see and communicate best, and more often than not that is on the outside of the rider. There's also the factor of having multiple horses/trainers in one arena and often times I almost get myself run over, focusing on my student only and not the horse doing a trot lengthening on the diagonal.

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                    • #11
                      I have no problem with a trainer seated in one place in the arena. Content and ability count with me. If I cannot hear I say so. It is then fixed.

                      Having several horses going in the ring does not make for a good place for trainers to be standing. I really hate dodging pedestrians in the ring. Some times I don't ;-)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mjhco View Post
                        I have no problem with a trainer seated in one place in the arena. Content and ability count with me. If I cannot hear I say so. It is then fixed.

                        Having several horses going in the ring does not make for a good place for trainers to be standing. I really hate dodging pedestrians in the ring.


                        I actually prefer them to sit/be in a safe spot. That way, when I'm in the "lesson zone" I don't have to worry about running someone over. CHA is all about the instructor running around, yelling, touching/pushing/chasing the horse--which is fine if it's needed at a crucial point, but downright distracting to me during a whole lesson. It's totally a personality/how you learn thing.
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                        • #13
                          I think it depends on the level of the student. I think that for the lower level riders, having the instructor in the middle of the ring (middle of the circle, etc.) helps the student. They often feel that you are actively in the trenches with them and you can force them to look at you (the instructor) when they need to stop obsessing and change their focus for a second. It also helps because you can quickly demonstrate what you want them to do--and be more specific than if you're sitting on your butt in the corner.

                          With students who are further along, sitting in the corner and watching is fine But, again, if they're working on a problem you need to get down in the ring and sometimes stop them and really show them with your body or point out on their body, what needs to be done.
                          Last edited by Velvet; Dec. 20, 2010, 04:19 PM. Reason: typos
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                          • #14
                            I'm new to dressage but not new to riding. My instructor sits in the gate near A so she can see me better, or she sits between M and B, closer to M, to see me. She sits more than stands, no worries. Or she'll sit at B or E in order to say nope, that was an EGG, Kat, I need a circle. lol

                            She uses her voice effectively to drive a point home, to support me, or question me.

                            If you don't like this approach, hire someone else. What's the big deal?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Amazone View Post
                              I get really annoyed when I pay $150+ for a lesson and the trainer sits on his/her butt in the corner of the arena and yells at me across the arena. I think the trainer needs to be closer to the combination to really see what is happening and to offer assistance. I also think it is just bad manners, I know being on your feet all day is tiring, but, hey, you chose this proffession. I had a trainer, who is now retired, but he would be on his feet close to the rider for the entire lesson and he was 73 years old! He was also a top rider in his day, competing at the highest levels in all three Olympic disciplines. He used to say that when he was doing his bereiter training in Germany, they were taught that they always had to be standing while teaching. It's an etiquette thing. I feel this is especially important with lower level riders and it also just shows that you respect your students. Is this just me, or does anyone else feel like this too?
                              i would ditch the trianer in that case if sitting on a fence or in a corner

                              i like to be in the middle where the action is, and if nessacary go around with my lessons as i like to watch ther contact and how shall i say the bum as in seat
                              making sure they are in harmony with the horse at all times as you can see or tweak aperson the nearer you are be hand legs seat schoulders etc

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by katarine View Post
                                I'm new to dressage but not new to riding. My instructor sits in the gate near A so she can see me better, or she sits between M and B, closer to M, to see me. She sits more than stands, no worries. Or she'll sit at B or E in order to say nope, that was an EGG, Kat, I need a circle. lol

                                She uses her voice effectively to drive a point home, to support me, or question me.

                                If you don't like this approach, hire someone else. What's the big deal?
                                in answer they miss alot out when further away
                                if your closer you can pick it up quickly and correct it early before it becomes a habit for the rider or the horse

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                                • #17
                                  I can see the point of sitting in a corner or along the short side if there are several instructors and/or several riders in the same arena at the same time.

                                  The barns where I teach are semi-private or private, so that's never been a problem!

                                  I agree that changing perspective (inside the circle to outside the circle, standing along the long side, in the corner, whatever, as the student runs through exercises gives the instructor more info to work with.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by goeslikestink View Post
                                    in answer they miss alot out when further away
                                    if your closer you can pick it up quickly and correct it early before it becomes a habit for the rider or the horse
                                    How much closer do you want a person to be, than sitting at B? LOL

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Beasmom View Post
                                      I can see the point of sitting in a corner or along the short side if there are several instructors and/or several riders in the same arena at the same time.

                                      The barns where I teach are semi-private or private, so that's never been a problem!

                                      I agree that changing perspective (inside the circle to outside the circle, standing along the long side, in the corner, whatever, as the student runs through exercises gives the instructor more info to work with.
                                      It is not unusual where I am to have 3 lessons going on at the same time. And other horses being worked. Particularly on Saturdays. It really complicates things when you get pedestrians out there as well.

                                      If the situation calls for it certainly the trainer will come into the ring. We practice canter pirouettes by using the pirouette around the trainer/try to step on the trainer method.

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                                      • #20
                                        Normally I am on my feet moving the entire lesson when I teach. On days when I teach 4 or 5 lessons I can barely move at night! The sand in the arena is VERY ROUGH on my bad hip. But I cannot sit and teach. Occasionally I will sit on the brick wall jump for a few minutes while student os working at that end of my arena. My arena is 250 x 140 so I cover a LOT of ground. I cannot really remember ever taking a lesson when the instructor sat
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