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  • USDF Recognized Associate instructor rip off!

    USDF is eliminating the Associate Instructor title including all the instructors who currently hold that designation.. Considering the cost involved to achieve this goal(at least $2,500)this is outrageous...They could at least continue to recognize the instructors who went through the program and spent their money.. Why anyone would attempt USDF Certification if they can withdrawal your qualifications at a whim???
    Last edited by blackhorse6; Dec. 20, 2010, 09:25 AM. Reason: bump

  • #2
    Originally posted by blackhorse6 View Post
    USDF is eliminating the Associate Instructor title including all the instructors who currently hold that designation
    USDF is hiring hit men?!

    Seriously, though.... Do you have a link? Someone had reported that there was discussion of the topic, but I hadn't seen anything official, and at least right now don't see anything on the USDF site. (I am known to be blind when things are directly in front of my face, though, as a disclaimer.) If money spent for certification is thrown away that's crummy. If it can be used for a further level of certification, or if the title is being changed to accurately reflect intent, that's different, though.
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    • #3
      Did you receive a letter notifying you? Did you see it in the USDF magazine? Where did you hear?


      • #4
        That's a shame.

        It costs $2500 for the Associate certification? Holee Cow! Not worth it. If I were one of the Associate certificate holders, I'd be p*ssed off!


        • #5
          quick look at the USDF site does not yield anything that states this. Not on the blog and not in the news. If this is something they have announced I would love to know where they announced it!
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          • #6
            There was an article in the December USDF Connection magazine on page 8 written by Gerhard Politz, starting off with "Allow me to explain why USDF decided to discontinue the Associate Instructor recognition in its certification program."


            • #7
              Basically, USDF got a ton of complaints from people about "associate instructors" that were calling themselves "certified associate instructors", when there was no certification. From my my understanding, the associate instructors were the ones who didn't complete the certification process. I don't blame them one bit when a lot of people were getting confused from the inappropriate verbage being used by some. Either complete the certification, or don't, there shouldn't be an in-between.


              • #8
                Can you please explain? Is there a (full rather than associate) Instructor title? How does one get that?

                Am I to understand that an associate instructor is someone who didn't finish the Instructor program and get certified?

                Or was there an Associate Instructor program? Whan that was completed, what did you get, a certification? Nothing? Why wouldn't you get a letter or something to certify that you completed the program? Why woudl it be wrong to call yourself a certified AI if you completed the program?

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                • #9
                  "An Associate Instructor has successfully completed the USDF Instructor Certification Workshop series in Lungeing, Teaching and Riding but have not yet been tested for certification."


                  It would be like auditing all the 'L' program sessions but not testing then saying you are an 'Associate' L program grad.


                  • #10
                    AIs went to cert courses, but that is all. They did not test (which is a quarter that price and does not require pre-certs).
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                    • #11
                      Maybe they should change the name of the Associate Instructors instead of nullifying the thing all together. It is like the "L" people cannot be called Judges, but Graduates. Maybe a similar designation. L
                      I actually pointed out an Assoc Instructor to the USDF who in fact was advertising herself as a "Certified" USDF Instructor and the USDF did nothing.
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                      • #12
                        I don't what's to be so upset about

                        They are not taking away from the folk who went through the program and then tested and passed and are now certified.

                        They are only stopping the ones who sat through a few workshops but never tested and who still call themselves Instructors.

                        If you went through the workshops now finish the process and get tested and get certified.

                        Shuts a loophole that has been abused for quite a while IMO.

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                        • #13
                          Wasn't it the USDF who called them Associate Instructors? That was the problem... they should have chosen an more appropriate name without the word Instructor so that the actual USDF Certified Instructors can have that designation.
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                          • #14
                            The problem is they should have never attempted to recognize people that only attended the courses. As was already pointed out, they don't recognize people who attend sessions A-C of the "L" program but never attend part 2, and they shouldn't recognize people for just attending instructor certification courses.

                            If we want to have qualified instructors on par with the german or even british instructor programs for example, we have to start somewhere. But the instructors HAVE to test.

                            So tired of the mentality in this country of recognizing people for barely doing anything. You don't get credit for going through a college class if you don't take the final exam and pass it. Attendance doesn't count, sorry.

                            Nothing in the sport of dressage is cheap. SO WHAT if it costs $2500 to do the courses. That's cheap when you sit back and add up how much you spend taking lessons or clinics, attending shows, etc.

                            Next thing people are going to whine about is the fact that you actually have to have experience and even successful students at these levels.

                            Another problem is they didn't grandfather in the "Greats" of our sport such as, oh, say George Williams, Steffen Peters, Debbie McDonald. But that's a whole other can of worms.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dressurpferd01 View Post
                              Basically, USDF got a ton of complaints from people about "associate instructors" that were calling themselves "certified associate instructors", when there was no certification. From my my understanding, the associate instructors were the ones who didn't complete the certification process. I don't blame them one bit when a lot of people were getting confused from the inappropriate verbage being used by some. Either complete the certification, or don't, there shouldn't be an in-between.
                              Yeah, um, well, this is something that the USDF office was perpetuating and telling the associates to call themselves. It wasn't something that the associates suddenly decided to do. So there way of covering up their own mess is to eliminate the whole associate designation. Nice...

                              BTW, the whole program is a major joke. Who cares what they do? No one should bother wasting their money on going through certification with the USDF. It's useless and meaningless.
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                              • #16
                                Velvet, a graduate of the USDF course told me that, too. A waste of time and money.


                                • #17
                                  [QUOTE][/QUOTEAnother problem is they didn't grandfather in the "Greats" of our sport such as, oh, say George Williams, Steffen Peters, Debbie McDonald. But that's a whole other can of worms.

                                  If these people are great instructors then perhaps they should. I only know them as competitors. That DOES NOT make them good instructors. Kind of like thinking Refrigerator Perry would have to make a great coach.

                                  I have been teaching a long time. A very long time. Perhaps if they looked at the show records of students, including the type of horse they rode to get those scores to decide who should be an instructor.

                                  Right now it is just a money making scheme.

                                  I know some wonderfully capable riders and trainers. They CAN NOT teach. THankfully, they will be the first one to tell you so. Too bad everyone is not so honest.
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                                  • #18
                                    I am a USDF Associate and "L" Graduate. To help clarify, there was an article in the USDF Connection, but most of this news about cancelling the Associates was sent to the current Associates via mail or email.

                                    While I am in the process of testing for my instructor certification and plan to continue on with the program, I have not gotten to that point. As one poster suggested, Associates did not simply audit the workshops - we participated in all three, were evaluated by the instructor in all three phases, took a first aid course and paid dues to receive the recognition for getting to this point. In my opinion, there is a difference between someone who has done the workshops and someone who has not, just as there is a difference between Associates and people who have passed the testing.

                                    In reply to someone saying there is not anything like that in the "L" - I disagree. When I was in my "L" program, I was an "L" Education Program participant. Professionals recognized that I was something different than someone who had not started the program and my title (no matter how formal/informal) helped me gain access to judges for sitting and continuing education.

                                    Unfortunately, the USDF created the Associate level and it seems that many people are upset because they took the workshops and first aid course and paid a lot of money/dues with the plan of only becoming Associates.

                                    In my mind, it would be like giving a credential to someone who completed the Part 1 of the "L" and sat/scribed for 30 hours - they are not yet "L" graduates, but they paid for a certain amount of education and expected to be recognized accordingly.

                                    The problem is that the USDF now faces having to take away something that they have been selling to their members. I understand both sides of the argument and have no personal feelings about keeping/cancelling the Associate level, but am glad I do not have to make the choice!


                                    • Original Poster

                                      Associates Level

                                      They did send a letter to the instructors but did not ask for any of their input. To become an associate you need to attend the workshops, have references, first aid course, and positive comments on your workshop reviews. Each year you need continuing education and pay a fee of $40- to maintain your recognition. Personally i feel this level shows that your instructor is working on continuing their education and testing their knowledge. Not all of the instructors can continue with testing due to financial constraints or physical issues.

                                      Some of these instructors are certified with other organizations and list themselves as certified on their websites. As a potential student you need to do your own due diligence. Anyone can say they are a FEI rider/gold medalist/champion etc.

                                      If USDF doesn't wish to continue with this option fine but for the instructors who have spent the money and time they should still be recognized.


                                      • #20
                                        All they really needed to do was eliminate the term "instructor" from the title and that would have been the end of it. They could have simply called them USDF associates, but why oh why keep anything simple?