• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Field Boot or Dress Boot?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Field Boot or Dress Boot?

    I am going to be buying a pair of boots for show and was planning on buying dress boots. Dress boots don't look like they have as much bend around the ankle area as field boots do.
    Is is ok to show at rated shows in field boots? I have been doing schooling shows in my field boots but next year I will be going to rated shows. I am showing training level and hope to be showing first level at the end of the year.

    Dawn
    Dawn

    Patience and Consistency are Your Friends

  • #2
    It is fine to show in field boots. I have a friend that has to show in field boots because of an ankle problem. However dress boots come in different stiffnesses. My custom boots are double lined without a rod in the back. They are stiff but not as stiff as other dress boots.
    Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death.
    -Auntie Mame

    Comment


    • #3
      Fields boots would do just as fine, especially in schooling shows. However, for rated shows - especially as you make the climb from training to first level - I would definitely recommend making the switch to dress boots. It is a part of the traditional attire of dressage and by honoring it, the judges will be pleased by your classic turnout.

      Besides, in upper levels dress boots are REQUIRED, so you might as well get used to them as you make your way. ;] Plus, I promise they are very comfortable. Brand new dress boots may feel stiff at first, but they are designed to "drop" at the ankle to provide the flexion you need. That's why it's always said to buy a boot that's an inch or two too tall, rather than too short - it'll "shrink" a bit once you wear them in. Good luck!

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by DressageJava View Post
        Besides, in upper levels dress boots are REQUIRED, so you might as well get used to them as you make your way.
        Actually, dress boots are not *required*, as the USEF rulebook simply states "black riding boots" above Fourth level (and simply "boots" in the lower levels)

        Sure, dress boots look nicer, more traditional, but I think it's more important to be comfortable, particularly if you have foot or ankle issues.

        I have both, but because of my own foot/ankle issues, the field boots are infinitely more comfortable, and thus I feel like I can focus more on my riding and less on silly things like pain.

        Comment


        • #5
          Buy whichever you are most comfortable in - there is no requirement that you use one or the other. Field boots ARE more flexible in the ankle - and in hunters and jumpers, they need that heel really down, so they need that flexibility. But nothing wrong with having flexibility in dressage either. Most judges don't even NOTICE, as long as you are neat and nicely turned out and riding well. Through 1st level, you don't even need tall boots - paddock boots and chaps are allowed at rated shows. There is no requirement, even at the FEI levels, that you ride in dress boots.

          In dressage, we use the lower inside leg (calf) a lot, and for many riders, the stiffer boot allows them to use their calf better - but again, that isn't even true of ALL riders. And some dressage riders would actually be better off with more flexibility - how many times do you see a rider with their heel UP and toe DOWN? It is often someone who already has a stiff ankle, and the boot isn't helping them.

          Comment


          • #6
            There is a difference between dress boots and dressage boots. I have Dehner dress and dressage boots. The dress boots are so soft and flexible you can practically tie them in a knot, while the dressage boots are quite stiff in the ankle.
            Donald Trump - proven liar, cheat, traitor and sexual predator! Hillary Clinton won in 2016, but we have all lost.

            Comment


            • #7
              rizzodm

              the USEF rules are very clear and specific on dress

              If you are going to show recognized then I encourage you to read the Dressage section. It is filled with a lot of good USABLE info. You need to know the ins and outs and you need to know the rules, particularly involving warm up and ring rules. An unknowing volunteer can muddle your warm-up if they don't know the rules well.

              Field boots are fine, you don't see them often but they are a choice. Dress boots for hunter jumper are often much more flexible in the ankle than those for dressage where stiffness is found to be desirable.

              Half Chaps and matching paddocks are also acceptable in training and first. It can be an economical choice for those on limited budget or for someone with ankle or foot issues that make a tall boot an undesirable choice.

              Zippers in tall boots are a popular choice, but I personally find they are a point of weakness and see them breaking down at the most undesired time.
              _\\]
              -- * > hoopoe
              Procrastinate NOW
              Introverted Since 1957

              Comment


              • #8
                Field boots are fine, dress boots are fine. Ride in what you prefer.

                Being a DQ, I still don't understand why people think the newer uber stiff dressage boots are so amazingly helpful to their riding. In the old days, you always wanted boots that were thinner on the inside (inside window in the leather where it was only one layer) to give the rider a MUCH more subtle calf contact. Nowadays, the stiff boots decrease communication between your horse and your calf. It only lends itself to adding spurs, which should not be necessary at all, at any level, really. I mean, in practice you need to be able to use fewer and fewer obvious aids. I understand the requirement of them at the upper levels to level the playing field, but honestly your horse should come off your leg without the need for a whip or spurs when they are fully trained.

                You should be able to hop on a horse wearing any type of clothes and be able to achieve the same frame and self-carriage. But I think less is always more, in communicating with your horse. So I think field boots are actually better in that way (off the shelf, you can buy custom dressage boots with that are 3/4 lined, etc.).

                I actually have come to believe that the advent of the stiffer boot is to make weekend warriors a toe that points perfectly forward. Which really is incorrect for the anatomy of a good seat, so it's only a look, but not a reality. Who cares? Isn't dressage about showing off the horse and making THEM look gorgeous and the rider being quiet and having invisible aids?

                Our sport it going the way of the fashion ignorant. They think that if they dress a certain way, that means they ride well.

                Sorry to derail, but you hit on a pet peeve of mine.
                "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

                Comment


                • #9
                  Thanks to high school soccer I have horrible ankles that are perpetually swollen. I have to ride in field boots or my feet go numb.
                  --Luck is what happens when preparedness meets opportunity--

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Use what is the most comfortable. And fits the best. Dress or field.

                    PHEWTTT to those who THINK that the stiff dressage boot is the ONLY way to go.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Velvet View Post
                      Field boots are fine, dress boots are fine. Ride in what you prefer.

                      Being a DQ, I still don't understand why people think the newer uber stiff dressage boots are so amazingly helpful to their riding. In the old days, you always wanted boots that were thinner on the inside (inside window in the leather where it was only one layer) to give the rider a MUCH more subtle calf contact. Nowadays, the stiff boots decrease communication between your horse and your calf. It only lends itself to adding spurs, which should not be necessary at all, at any level, really. I mean, in practice you need to be able to use fewer and fewer obvious aids. I understand the requirement of them at the upper levels to level the playing field, but honestly your horse should come off your leg without the need for a whip or spurs when they are fully trained.

                      You should be able to hop on a horse wearing any type of clothes and be able to achieve the same frame and self-carriage. But I think less is always more, in communicating with your horse. So I think field boots are actually better in that way (off the shelf, you can buy custom dressage boots with that are 3/4 lined, etc.).

                      I actually have come to believe that the advent of the stiffer boot is to make weekend warriors a toe that points perfectly forward. Which really is incorrect for the anatomy of a good seat, so it's only a look, but not a reality. Who cares? Isn't dressage about showing off the horse and making THEM look gorgeous and the rider being quiet and having invisible aids?

                      Our sport it going the way of the fashion ignorant. They think that if they dress a certain way, that means they ride well.

                      Sorry to derail, but you hit on a pet peeve of mine.
                      I never understood the stiff dress boot thing either. I prefer to ride in paddock boots....quell horror, without half chaps
                      I wasn't always a Smurf
                      Penmerryl Sophie RIDSH
                      "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
                      The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by carolprudm View Post
                        I never understood the stiff dress boot thing either. I prefer to ride in paddock boots....quell horror, without half chaps
                        Makes for a softer contact and much lighter feel off your leg with just a thin piece of material between you and your horse! (Even better than 3/4 lined boots. )

                        Like I said, it's not about what you wear, it's about how well you ride! You go, girl!
                        "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

                        Comment

                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Thanks everyone for the responses. I am going to stick with riding in the field boot, they are comfy and I can feel my horses side very well with them.

                          Dawn
                          Last edited by rizzodm; Nov. 22, 2010, 11:38 PM. Reason: spelling
                          Dawn

                          Patience and Consistency are Your Friends

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X