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Myler Mullen Mouth bit Legal?

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  • Myler Mullen Mouth bit Legal?

    I saw on this board somewhere that Myler Mullen Mouth was dressage legal bit, but when I contacted USEF; the contact said she had contradictory info on it and would have to get back to me. Her concern is not the middle barrel or the copper inlays, but the bend/curve in the mouthpiece which is actually slightly milder than the Myler Comfort Snaffle. Those who commented this was legal dressage show bit, who was your contact for that information? Thanks. Below is link to picture of bit.

  • Original Poster

    Scroll to middle of page at below link; This is side view of the mullen bit that concerns the contact at USEF I emailed; it has COmfort snaffle and pony sized mullen mouth side by side



    • #3
      I've competed all season w/ this bit. Note that volunteers do the bit check; so far so good. Please post any response from usef.


      • Original Poster

        This is response I got yesterday From the Managing Director and Chef d'Equipe Dressage;; I am waiting to here back again.

        "I will need to check this since I have contradictory information about Levels allowed. I think only Level 1 is approved. Also the angle looks sharper in the new picture."

        The Mullen Mouth is a Level Two Bit


        • #5
          I really wonder if the people who make these rules have any clue. That bit is so mild, we call it the Nothing Bit.
          "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
          The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.


          • #6
            You might want to look at this USEF document

            Scroll down to page 16, and look at the second bit on page 16 "Snaffle bit with rotating mouthpiece. This snaffle bit is LEGAL in dressage."

            Is that your bit? or is yours different.

            Anyway, that is my (USEF) source for saying that your bit (if it is in fact THAT bit) is legal for dressage.

            If it isn't, then they need to change their official booklet.

            chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


            • #7
              Wow! so much pictures in USEF booklet!!! I'll let our canadian fed. knows about it! Maybe they'll get less question regarding legal or not bits...
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              • Original Poster

                Yes, the USEF rulebook picture looks just like the myler mullen mouth bit, but it says snaffle for the figure and I believe the pic was originally added for the Myler Comfort Snaffle. Also there is a bend/angle of the mouth piece difference from the Myler Comfort snaffle to the Myler Mullen Mouth. I agree the Myler Mullen Mouth seems milder, but I didn't want to go by word of mouth or assumptions based on pics and thats why I wanted USEF ot directly confirm it for me. I am kind of surprised the response I got questioned it; but still waiting to hear back a final response. I went ahead and wrote them back again and commented people are showing in the bit with bit checks ok'd and the pic in rulebook looks like it but want USEF to confirm for me directly since its not straightfoward in rulebook as its mullen versus snaffle.

                P.S. Ring Stewards at last show in my region this year were real sticklers about bits, nosebands, and spurs; so I want to be covered with direct USEF response :O)


                • #9
                  Just to clarify, that photograph is NOT in the RULEBOOK.

                  IT is in the USEF "DRESSAGE ATTIRE AND EQUIPMENT Booklet", which is available on the USEF website.

                  chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


                  • Original Poster

                    If you go to 2011 rulebook online the exact same pictures/diagrams and numbering are listed for allowable snaffles as Janet's booklet link has on page 10 :O)


                    • #11

                      I am NOT talking about the DIAGRAMS which are the same in both the rulebook and the Dressage Equipment booklet.

                      I am talking about the PHOTOGRAPH on page 16 of the booklet.

                      That PHOTOGRAPH is NOT in the rulebook (2010 or 2011).

                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


                      • Original Poster

                        Janet I understand you were referrring to page 16 and that pic is definitely the Myler Comfort Snaffle not the Mullen Mouth. The comfort snaffle mouthpiece thins a little right at the barrel to allow the joint to flex while the mullen mouthpiece never thins as it goes into barrel as it can not flex. I was just commenting that the diagram pics also look just like the Mullen mouth and the Comfort snaffle.


                        • #13
                          got it

                          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).


                          • Original Poster

                            Last Reply from USEF:
                            "There are several sides to this. Firstly, I have understood that only level 1 bits were approved but somehow also level 2 were approved by TDs and this has continued. As regards to the FEI (as I used to work there) I would say your bit would be approved at CDI events. Normally a “mullen mouth” bit is more gentle than a regular bit and in this case comparing with a comfort mouth bit. Since this bit already has been approved by different TDs I would advise you to contact a local TD and show him/her the bit for approval “live” as I do not feel comfortable in giving a definite answer without

                            having the bit in front of me. I have asked the Chair of the Dressage Rules Committee for a clarification and possible amendment of the Rules to have easier to follow guidelines.

                            Thanks for bringing this to our attention."

                            Now I am not sure what to do, as I train regularly in this bit and do not want to have switch bits last minute at a show if I happen to get a TD that doesn't approve it.


                            • #15
                              I think it is pretty clear that they are putting this in the hands of the TD of that show. If you don't want to wait until the show to change bits unless absolutely necessary, I think you should ask the show secretary for the TD's email address or phone number and explain that USEF told you to contact them.

                              I've been the volunteer coordinator for shows and had to 'train' the stewards and bit checkers with the TD. TD's have recommend that for bits in questions, that it is best if riders have copiess of the rule book with pictures or if you've gotten something approved through USEF to have a copy of that approval with you.
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                              • #16
                                I am willing to send them one to look at if they promise to send it back!
                                "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                                The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.


                                • #17
                                  One thing to keep in mind is that there are at least 4 "Comfort Snaffle" mouthpieces and not all are legal.

                                  So it might be better to talk in terms of the actual mouthpiece number vs. a descriptor.

                                  I believe that the legal Comfort Snaffle mouthpiece is the MB 02.