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Elizabeth Madlener's 1978 freestyle

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  • Elizabeth Madlener's 1978 freestyle

    This is a shot in the dark, but maybe someone might know…my daughter trains with Elizabeth Madlener, and I often hear stories about her when I scribe at shows…anyhow, back in 1978 she scored a 98.6% in a freestyle riding her OTTB, Gulliver. She says it was televised, but back then there weren’t many recording devices for the tv. Does anyone know how we might get a copy of such a ride, or any of her rides? I have no idea which network would have covered such an event. Elizabeth still makes any horse she gets on look like a million bucks, but I would love to see some of her riding back in her glory days. Also my daughter is doing a biography of Elizabeth for school…any positive stories about her would be appreciated.

  • #2
    Apparently it was at Devon.. so maybe they may be worth contacting?
    A well known figure in the dressage world, Elizabeth first came into national prominence when she and her two off-the-track Thoroughbreds were selected for further training by Coach Bengt Ljungquist in the 1977 USET Screening Trials. These horses went on to great successes in the show ring, including Jonathan Swift’s win (by 30 points) in the 1978 World Cup Team Selection Trials, Gulliver’s 98.6% score in Freestyle, and an unprecedented 1st (Gulliver) and 2nd (Jonathan) placing in Prix St. Georges at Dressage at Devon. Elizabeth has trained several other horses—such as Fanfare and Cassandra—to Grand Prix and has taken top year end USET, AHSA, and USDF awards with horses such as the Hanoverian Waldgraf, the Trakhener Donetz, her own Hanoverian Parat, and many others.

    Her many accomplishments include:

    · Grand Prix Competitor, Trainer, Instructor

    · USDF “S” Judge

    · USDF “L” Faculty Member

    · Dressage Today Contributor (formerly Contributing Editor)

    · Board Member, Maryland Horse Industry Board (gubernatorial app.)

    · Former President, Maryland Horse Council

    · Former President & CEO, Maryland Horse Center, Inc. (once known as Potomac Horse Center)

    Currently training and teaching out of Linda Zang’s Idlewilde Farm in Davidsonville, MD, Elizabeth also freelances throughout the greater Washington D.C. metropolitan area and travels the country giving clinics and judging dressage shows


    • #3
      1978 World Cup Team Selections??? freestyles??/ judged freestyles????

      one oak, lots of canyons



      • Original Poster

        Thanks, Belambi. We found that on the internet, but were hoping for some updated information or anecdotes. Elizabeth hasn't taught at Idlewilde for many years. However she is still doing freelance instruction (she comes to my farm once a week) especially in the Anne Arundel County Area and clinics around the nation as well as judges shows. One of her students is starting a webpage for her at http://emdressage.com/ .

        I was curious if anyone remembers working with her up in Washington State, or has stories about her horses. My daughter has interviewed Elizabeth and talks to her all the time, but it would be interesting to hear from others.



        • Original Poster

          Originally posted by canyonoak View Post
          1978 World Cup Team Selections??? freestyles??/ judged freestyles????

          What does this post mean?


          • #6
            World Cup started in 1986.

            It is based on individual selection.

            I am trying to work out what was being judged back in 1978.
            one oak, lots of canyons



            • #7
              Probably Dressage World Championships - the World Championships for the 3 disciplines were held at separate venues until 1990 when they were amalgamated to be the World Equestrian Games.
              * <-- RR Certified Gold Star {) <-- RR Golden Croissant Award
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              NO! What was the question?


              • #8
                Aren't there pictures of her in Bengt's book "Practical Dressage Manual"? I think she is. My book is currently packed away so I can't double check. At least that's a source for some pictures, if she is in there. For some reason I remember seeing her in it...
                "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"


                • #9
                  I rode with Elizabeth a few times in Tacoma, Washington in 1974 or so. I think she was training with Klaus Alban at Evergreen stables near Seattle. I have a book that she wrote about dressage somewhere in my archives. I'll try and dig it up. Dressage was in its infancy in the area, and I was mostly fox hunting, eventing, and doing hunter/jumper.
                  Theresa (Case) Hunt


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eventingjunkie View Post
                    back in 1978 she scored a 98.6% in a freestyle riding her OTTB, Gulliver. She says it was televised, but back then there weren’t many recording devices for the tv.... I have no idea which network would have covered such an event.
                    The Chronicle of the Horse began in 1937, did you ask if the archives dept could help by pulling the 1978 dressage results? Maybe an old article mentions the network...


                    • Original Poster

                      Thanks SM,

                      Great idea!


                      • #12
                        one of the freestyles with that horse used music from tristan and isolde by wagner and the counter canter caused some controversy.


                        • #13
                          I remember an article about her in (I think) The Practical Horseman. Her horses would not haul together. Forget if she shipped across USA in different trailers or if she had the trip from Hell. She showed in Canada a bit and did so well with her boys.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                            one of the freestyles with that horse used music from tristan and isolde by wagner and the counter canter caused some controversy.

                            OK Im intriged- what was the contreversy over counter-canter
                            "It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes" ~ Douglas Adams


                            • #15
                              you have a pm


                              • #16
                                Elizabeth was a member of the Maryland Horse Industry Board when I was hired. The bio we had for her at the time is as follows...

                                Past president of MHC, Elizabeth Madlener was instrumental in moving the association forward in a more formal and organized manner, which has allowed it to be more productive and functional. A Grand Prix dressage rider, trainer, and USEA S judge, Ms. Madlener has trained several horses and students to USEA/USDF year end awards from First Level through Grand Prix, and at one time was long-listed with the USET. For ten years she operated the Maryland Horse Center in Gaithersburg, and was active on numerous USDF committees. Today she is busy locally, as a freelance trainer/instructor, and nationally as a clinician and judge, and is a frequent contributor to Dressage Today.

                                She feels that Arabians are the most personable of all horses but they have a wicked sense of humor that can be pretty frustrating to a rider who doesn't understand it. About Arabians in dressage, she says "When they're right, they're really right."
                                Rob Burk
                                USEA Chief Executive Officer
                                Phone: (703) 779-0440


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by slc2 View Post
                                  one of the freestyles with that horse used music from tristan and isolde by wagner and the counter canter caused some controversy.
                                  I am intrigued as well.


                                  • Original Poster

                                    My daughter informed me that the freestyle was not in 1978, but sometime after.

                                    Why would there be a controversy about counter canter for a PSG freestyle?