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    Catherine Haddad and Winyamaro....WOW! They were great to watch. What a beautiful ride. It was wonderful to see such a happy, pleasant ride with a bond between horse and rider that was so obvious. They did a great job and won the class.

    With Winyamaro's coloring, Catherine's brown top hat, jacket and tack was stunning. Simply marvelous!!!!!
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    Catherine Haddad and Winyamaro....WOW! They were great to watch. What a beautiful ride. It was wonderful to see such a happy, pleasant ride with a bond between horse and rider that was so obvious. They did a great job and won the class.

    With Winyamaro's coloring, Catherine's brown top hat, jacket and tack was stunning. Simply marvelous!!!!!
    well, I agree with the color of her coat and top hat being really marvelous. Odd but I really liked the copper color and how it blended with the horse's coat.

    The music (Pink) was wonderful. Gotta love Pink.

    But the riding was effortful. Aids far from invisible. I was standing head on when she was preforming her tempis and her legs were slapping like dead fish on his sides. I was able to see 6" (no exaggeration) of air betweeen her lower leg and the horse.

    The horse's neck was stuck and short, transitions labored, and his mouth was open the entire time when I was close enough (at the warm up) to see.
    I'm not sure what the deal was with her new fashion--doofy bowl cut open forelock--is that the new style in Europe?

    Over all I think everyone expected her to come to the US and WOW the judges therefore her winning scores were decided well in advance.

    I thought Joe Sandven and Danielle Gallagher had far superior rides with very correct and steady movements and music equally as lovely. There horses were just not as flashy as Winyamaro.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by psychurmine View Post
      well, I agree with the color of her coat and top hat being really marvelous. Odd but I really liked the copper color and how it blended with the horse's coat.

      The music (Pink) was wonderful. Gotta love Pink.

      But the riding was effortful. Aids far from invisible. I was standing head on when she was preforming her tempis and her legs were slapping like dead fish on his sides. I was able to see 6" (no exaggeration) of air betweeen her lower leg and the horse.

      The horse's neck was stuck and short, transitions labored, and his mouth was open the entire time when I was close enough (at the warm up) to see.
      I'm not sure what the deal was with her new fashion--doofy bowl cut open forelock--is that the new style in Europe?

      Over all I think everyone expected her to come to the US and WOW the judges therefore her winning scores were decided well in advance.

      I thought Joe Sandven and Danielle Gallagher had far superior rides with very correct and steady movements and music equally as lovely. There horses were just not as flashy as Winyamaro.

      .. Give me a break! Yes her aides are more visable then most but when I was at weg I saw several riders that did the same thing in the changes. I do think she would score even higher if she was less obvious about her aides but then again how many GP horses has she trained and he's only 10 years old still learning. I've watched several videos of the pair and his mouth has NEVER been open.. Did you read Mr. Rockwell's comments about his forlock? If not read dressage daily because he LOVED it. snarky about his forelock
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      • #4
        I agree with the OP! It was a great ride and just FUN! Loved it from the music, the clothes and just the joy of the pair...it was a treat to watch!

        As for her aids being more visible - every horse is an individual and some do not respond/react/listen if the aids are so subtle. Others have to have the rider be more still...each combination of horse and rider have to work out a dialogue that works for them. *shrugs* If I thought I could do it better, I'd be brave enough to criticize...
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        • #5
          Rachmaninoff (Joe Sandven's horse) is not a hot horse, so it's not about having to be still on him.

          However, 10 yo is a really young GP horse and Catherine's done a wonderful job with him.

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          • #6
            Did anyone else notice she had to drop her Bridle after bit check for excessively tight noseband.

            After apparently being cautioned in an earlier test for same thing??

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            • #7
              Anyone had a video of Joe's ride? Here's one from a year ago
              http://www.hoofclix.com/FENCE/2009-D...292_WD9Vi-A-LB

              Lovely horse but piaffe and passage just not there would love to see his test. Loved this horses extended trot.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                Did anyone else notice she had to drop her Bridle after bit check for excessively tight noseband.

                After apparently being cautioned in an earlier test for same thing??
                I think this is going to become an issue especially in Europe.
                “Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed. Maybe they just need to run free til they find someone just as wild to run with them.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                  Did anyone else notice she had to drop her Bridle after bit check for excessively tight noseband.

                  After apparently being cautioned in an earlier test for same thing??
                  The only reason an auditor might not have noticed the mouth is because the horse is white and pink in the nose, hence the gums/tongue blends in. I should have taken a picture. It wasn't terrible, but it looked tense.

                  Also, Rockwell may have liked the odd forelock it but I didn't. I thought it looked ridiculous and distracted me from the over all picture.
                  Does she do this in Europe as well? It is traditional to have only the stallions with unbraided forelock...and then a natural forelock at that. Not a flat bowl cut on a flaxen mane. Holly cow.

                  The test was much better than her GP the day before, but still, there were even better tests that night. Politics.

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                  • #10
                    I agreed with the placings

                    I very much enjoyed the Freestyle including a few of the others we'd seen last year that were improved and even more lovely this year. I felt Winyamaro was better than Rachmaninoff in this performance, but both were super. It doesn't have to be politics for one to place over the other.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by psychurmine View Post
                      The only reason an auditor might not have noticed the mouth is because the horse is white and pink in the nose, hence the gums/tongue blends in. I should have taken a picture. It wasn't terrible, but it looked tense.

                      Also, Rockwell may have liked the odd forelock it but I didn't. I thought it looked ridiculous and distracted me from the over all picture.
                      Does she do this in Europe as well? It is traditional to have only the stallions with unbraided forelock...and then a natural forelock at that. Not a flat bowl cut on a flaxen mane. Holly cow.

                      The test was much better than her GP the day before, but still, there were even better tests that night. Politics.
                      Maybe your eye is not very educated.. I saw the video Peace put up from a year ago and that horse had no passage and piaffe. Kinda sounds a bit personal with having such an issue about his forelock...It's personal preference no biggie. I would love to see videos of the other rides but I highly doubt they were technically as difficult or their horses were of international caliber. Anyone have videos?
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                      • #12
                        Although I have not seen Joe's ride at Devon, I can tell you that a year ago, Rocky had some issues come up and it has taken some time to resolve them. He is a much better horse now than even 6 months ago.
                        I have seen this pair compete a great deal as they are local to me and Don Principe usually is at the same venues.
                        You can be sure that judging does have taste(music preference) involved at this level of freestyle and that does play some factor in placings.
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                        • #13
                          But the riding was effortful. Aids far from invisible. I was standing head on when she was preforming her tempis and her legs were slapping like dead fish on his sides. I was able to see 6" (no exaggeration) of air betweeen her lower leg and the horse.

                          The horse's neck was stuck and short, transitions labored, and his mouth was open the entire time when I was close enough (at the warm up) to see.
                          I'm not sure what the deal was with her new fashion--doofy bowl cut open forelock--is that the new style in Europe?
                          Harsh, aren't we?!?!?

                          I believe that this is the first FULL year of W doing Grand Prix. I would expect that it will take more than 1 year for a horse to become comfortable in GP, the movements, the electricity of a big atmosphere like Devon.

                          And W isn't the only one that has an unbraided forelock worn loose- Tina Konyot does the same with Calecto V. Sheesh.... how dare people show any personality in the sandbox.
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                          • #14
                            Well, I missed her ride in the freestyle portion but saw the GP the night before. Catherine did a fabulous job on W - I had not seen her ride in person before but what impressed me most was the amount of time she spent warming the horse up - and she took him out and rode him a few hours before her ride as well.

                            It is apparent that he is "green" to GP, which does involve a more actively engaged rider.

                            After watching ALL of the GP rides, I have to saw that she clearly won the Friday night competition - her aids may have been stronger, but her horse was much more fluid throughout the test. The P&P were clearly presented - not so much in other rides.

                            I did not see her freestyle but I did see Rach.'s. His ride seem somewhat more labored in the P&P than many I watched. Just not as fluid - especially when compared to W's performance.

                            Of course - the beautiful thing is that when you pay for an opinion (which is all a dressage test really boils down to), then that's what you get. And clearly, not all opinions are the same.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BetterOffRed View Post
                              And W isn't the only one that has an unbraided forelock worn loose- Tina Konyot does the same with Calecto V. [/I]
                              As someone already mentioned, unbraided forelocks are usually reserved for stallions - so okay for Calecto V.

                              Very untraditional for a gelding to have an unbraided forelock in the show ring, but if CH was wearing a brown top hat and coat, she was bucking tradition anyway.

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                              • #16
                                well I'll tell you what, I personally bit checked this lady and altho her performance was winning it was far from effortless on her horses' part. Her noseband was so tight I couldn't get a hair between her noseband and her bridle! I truely hope that this is NOT going to be the "norm" in the future.
                                I do know that the FEI stewart said this was an ongoing problem in Europe and FEI is looking at the rules to change this due to riders figuring out a way to get around it.
                                Don't get me wrong, W is a phenomenal horse and has such potential but he's 10! He's got YEARS ahead of him. Just think what he'll be able to do in the future if given the freedom to breath!
                                I must say not one of the other rider had a tight noseband and they were so pleasant coming out of the arena! Yes~ there were a few "hot" horses but I'd rather deal with that then one who may be hurting and can't breath!
                                Last edited by horsemommy; Oct. 4, 2010, 10:06 PM.

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                                  As I stated initially.....it was just beautiful to watch. Made me smile. I was sitting in a box on the back side of the arena near the back entrance to the show grounds. I realize that views are different depending on where you are watching from, but that ride got a standing ovation soooooo I know I'm not the only one who liked it. After all, even the judges liked it.

                                  I also like seeing a bit of variety. The loose forlock was fine with me. Something different right along with the brown outfit and tack. Winyamaro just seemed so happy to be out there and for a young horse, he was very calm. Even when the audience starting clapping and yelling after the final halt.

                                  When Debbie McDonald rode Brentina in Las Vegas to her Motown Music Freestyle, it was an unbelievable moment. She broke with tradition and used lyrics in her music and it brought the house to their feet. Talk about an electrifying performance. Sometimes you just need to break out of the box. Now we are hearing more and more freestyles with lyrics in them and I love it.

                                  I also feel that breaking out of the stiff impression the public has of dressage will make this sport more approachable to the general public. It gives them something more approachable that they can relate to. It makes it fun!

                                  Since the US hosting of top equestrian sports in Las Vegas, it seems that the US is finally embracing our sport. When have we ever had 6 hours of equestrian sports telecasted on a major TV network.

                                  We've come a long way baby and I for one don't want to be put back in the black and white box.
                                  Last edited by CelticRiverDance; Oct. 4, 2010, 08:43 PM.
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                                  • #18
                                    no excuse

                                    Originally posted by horsemommy View Post
                                    well I'll tell you what, I personally bit checked this lady and altho her performance was winning it was far from effortless on her horses' part. Her noseband was so tight I couldn't get a hair between her noseband and her bridle! I truely hope that this is NOT going to be the "norm" in the future.
                                    I do know that the FEI stewart said this was an ongoing problem in Europe and FEI is looking at the rules to change this due to riders figuring out a way to get around it.
                                    Don't get me wrong, W is a phenomenal horse and has such potential but he's 10! He's got YEARS ahead of him. Just think what he'll be able to do in the future if given the freedom to breath!
                                    I must say not one of the other rider had a tight noseband and they were so pleasant coming out of the arena! Yes~ there were a few "hot" horses but I'd rather deal with that then one who may be hurting and can't breath!
                                    sorry gang, but there is no excuse for being unkind to volunteers...

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Plantagenet View Post
                                      sorry gang, but there is no excuse for being unkind to volunteers...
                                      Hmmm who said anyone was rude?
                                      “Maybe some women aren't meant to be tamed. Maybe they just need to run free til they find someone just as wild to run with them.”

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                                      • #20
                                        I'm with CelticRiverDance and Tasker - it was a pleasure to watch the pair. Everyone in our box thought his forelock was charming. Of course what do we know, being mostly eventers and fox hunters, right? However, having been taught to ride by someone who valued dressage as the basis of all good riding even a boob like me seemed to be able to recognize the winning ride when I saw it.

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