• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Bechtolsheiner/Mistral

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Bechtolsheiner/Mistral

    I realize that everyone is gaa gaa over Totilas/Gal

    Irrespective of that, I would like for folks to watch Ms. Bechtolsheiner in her tests. The Gran Prix, Gran Prix Special and Gran Prix Freestyle are posted on YouTube.

    To your individual perspective: Which test does the horse and rider appear to be more relaxed and present the best test? [in your opinion]

    The reason I ask, is simply if we observe her rides with an open mind, I believe one can see the actual impact the rider has upon the presentation of the horse. There are some obvious changes that occur between the tests.
    www.hartetoharte.org
    Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

  • #2
    My hubby taped it off NBC (?), the freestyle, and I didn't care for her ride because she kept jerking her right hand. And during all her passage/piaffes, the horse appeared to hold his left knee up longer than the right knee.

    I think for her and all the others, by the time they had the freestyle, all these horses were tired. I think it's alot of work for them and it appears that they all were excellent at the GP, in which they were all fresh, but in the freestyle, it seems that they all needed more hand and more leg , and they all were spending more time behind the vertical. Anyone note this too?

    It seems to me that the only rider that needed the least amount of hand and leg encouragement was Fuego, who still looked pretty fresh.

    Comment


    • #3
      I have to say after watching her there for all three rides I am now "gaga" over the pair and think their rides showed some of the best fluidity and partnership there. Maybe it was the surprise factor of seeing them for the first time that made me like the first rides better than the freestyle. I haven't had time to watch the recordings yet. Whatever it was, she has a new fan. I thought watching them as a pair was an experience on par with seeing Totilas. I think she has the "misfortune" of showing against Totilas and if it weren't for that, we would be hearing a lot more hype about them. Fortunately, being so young, I think we will be hearing about her for years to come and that she will be one of the sport super stars. Close third in my memories was that wonderful showboat of a ride by the Spaniard! Now that, I can't wait to see again!
      Nancy
      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Eustis...s/317195320554

      www.SenecaRidge.com

      Comment


      • #4
        I love this pair. Beautiful rider and stellar, solid mare.

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          Nice to see there are some eyes on this forum.
          Yes she had movements in her hands and caused some minor errors in presentation, however, the overall performances, were in my humble opinion, more correct than Totilas/Gal
          www.hartetoharte.org
          Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

          Comment


          • #6
            I have watched her ride several times. Only subscribed to FEI TV for 24 hours starting at 7:00 pm Friday night. Watched the VODs and probably watched the final 5 freestyles 4 times.

            I love to see a good mare competing at the top!

            I know I'm not answering your question, but right now I'm too lazy to go look again for the differences.

            Comment


            • #7
              Mistral Hojris is a gelding.
              ----------------------------------------
              PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum
              http://pssm.xanthoria.com/
              ----------------------------------------

              Comment


              • #8
                Mistral is not a mare.
                I was able to watch their warmup and it was gorgeous. She started out like a quality hunter, lovely stretching, very relaxed and then gradually put him together and he was awesome. I heard someone else mention some pulling on laura's part during the test, but their was none of that in the warmup. I would guess he got a bit wound up/tired.
                Fantastic pair in my opinion.
                www.ncsporthorse.com

                Comment


                • #9
                  I think at times she looked nervous as hell (reasonable to be sure)

                  They were a lovely pair, and I think they really did an amazing job, but the polish was missing and I also saw some jerking hands.

                  My biggest issue with her freestyle was the changes of bend, I could SEE the horses nose jerk (doesnt help that the horse has a lighter face), but it was pretty messy.

                  A few times the horse seemed like the tempo was lost or labored, and a couple of time he looked like he would stall out.

                  Of course its got its fair highs to go with these, and she deserves the place she got, but I'd not place her above Toto on a bad day even... Not just yet.
                  ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                  http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NOMIOMI1 View Post
                    but I'd not place her above Toto on a bad day even... Not just yet.
                    I'm guessing we probably have the same amount of training toward our judging certifications, but I agree with you.

                    I much prefer Laura and Alf, just in that Toto isn't my style. But I think he was far more perfect and precise in just about everything he did. I was actually surprised by the amount of polish Laura had, as it was more than I expected from her training videos - they are definitely still training and learning. But I love the pair.
                    Originally posted by Silverbridge
                    If you get anything on your Facebook feed about who is going to the Olympics in 2012 or guessing the outcome of Bush v Gore please start threads about those, too.

                    Comment

                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      I am enjoying your responses, however, how many observed the differences in how she rode the three tests? I found one of them really more correct than the other two because she appeared to be more relaxed.
                      www.hartetoharte.org
                      Ask and allow, do not demand and force.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      X