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Are FEI rules being broken ? Judge for yourself

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  • Are FEI rules being broken ? Judge for yourself

    These are still shots of Totilas :


    Don't kill the messenger. I put this up so people could come to their own conclusion.

  • #2
    Because obviously still photos on the internet count for so much more than FEI stewards who were present the entire time.


    • #3
      Your still shots aren't opening. Since when do we judge dressage horses by still photos?


      • #4
        oh god just shoot me now
        -- * > hoopoe
        Procrastinate NOW
        Introverted Since 1957


        • #5
          Keep grinding that ax! Soon there will be none of it left.


          • #6
            This-- both the article and the OP-- are some of the most ridiculously smug things I've ever read.
            Vancouver Equine


            • #7

              I really don't get it. Why is this so important to people (trashing whoever ... Totilas/Gal today, someone else tomorrow)? So much effort, and I just don't understand why.


              • #8
                I hear ya, Horsepoor!

                I've got a horse to ride. No time to trash the BNR's.


                • #9
                  Given the pictures on that site, can we say DAP?

                  Most experts, Hilda Gurney included, see DAP as a desirable trait in dressage. It does not indicate a "four beat trot," whatever that is. Educate yourself and at least use the terms that show you have an education in dressage. It's one thing to argue that DAP isn't desirable. It's quite another to mislabel it as a "4 beat trot"--a term obviously meant to sensationalize.
                  2007 Welsh Cob C X TB GG Eragon
                  Our training journal.
                  1989-2008 French TB Shamus Fancy
                  I owned him for fifteen years, but he was his own horse.


                  • #10
                    I wonder if the top riders have some sort of pass the torch/drinking game for when they become the target of the witch hunt. Like the Germans thank Anky for the attention taken away from the "crank and spank". Anky has to thank Edward for proving LDR horses can halt, but can't extend. Edward has to thank Adelinda for proving LDR horses can extend the trot, but will bite their tongue at the halt. Then Imke is getting some flack for her horse swishing her tail and being out behind - puhleeze!! Because she uses LDR. So maybe they have to buy each other champagne. That poor Dutch team must all be alcoholics by now... And the judges get some booze too because they might as well because they don't know what they are looking at... And we all have a beer because the white horse was so much fun!!


                    • #11
                      That page is absolutely ridiculous. To whoever made that, I say get a life!


                      • #12
                        AZ Native--You posted that on the thread I started, too. It STILL doesn't make any sense. Why are you posting it again?

                        Sister--You're becoming a favorite of mine. Facts! Can you imagine?


                        • #13
                          To the OP: did you read the Dressage Today article that came out a couple of months ago that discussed this very issue by Dr. Hillary Clayton (Sorry I can't pinpoint the issue)? She took slow shot videos that showed these very same things as examples of what judges view as good gaits. Her conclusions were that good gaits are not what we have written down as good gaits and that it is the overall harmony that judges are seeing and scoring.


                          • #14
                            I guess it all boils down to this: When someone comes out and rides their version of a "correct" test (as opposed to Toto's oh so horrible test) and gets over 90% on it, then I'll listen to you. Until then, I'll just enjoy Toto and his oh so incorrect tests.


                            • Original Poster

                              Thanks for the input everyone. I see that the opinion here is :

                              That the photos taken from the video at the top of the linked page are examples of a well balanced horse with 3 good, naturally enhanced gaits and that the person commenting on the photos does not know what they are talking about and completely wrong in their observations. I have no idea who wrote the comments but i should be shot at sunrise for asking the question and posting the link and i'm smug which is a hoot, btw.
                              Too, apparently you all think the FEI rules are being followed and this is a good example of correct classical dressage and the judges are rewarding appropriately. Great !


                              • #16
                                I don't understand why the website makes it sound like a bad thing that he is so rocked back and sitting down on his hocks in movements. That's something I strive to achieve it dressage. And Hillary Clayton has written nurmerous articles about the way dressage horses move. To me all the "inconsistancies" are positive. For instance my haflinger gets 4 beat-y in the canter when I really push him under but it's 4 beat like a gallop not like a "tranter". The judges love his canter.
                                If you are going to make arguements at least make intelligent ones.
                                Btw I like Totilas but he is not the end all be all dressage horse. But he is damn nice.
                                Brae Mont Farm


                                • #17
                                  What a nasty mean-spirited horrid website As someone said, why put so much time and effort into trashing others? As someone else said, get a life please!!!!


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Discobold View Post
                                    What a nasty mean-spirited horrid website As someone said, why put so much time and effort into trashing others? As someone else said, get a life please!!!!
                                    well said discobold


                                    • #19
                                      No expert at all

                                      But the anouncer at the Freestyle says the Dressage world considers him the horse of the century. ~Sigh~ I liked Ravel better. But truth be told, I did not see one test that was jaw dropping blow me away. Again, just an opinion.


                                      • #20
                                        I am no dressage expert, but sporadic stills do not prove anything about the horse's general gait. Not to mention a lot of the comments next to those photos are plain wrong, for example the still of the changes stating he is placing his back legs down together in the same spot is clearly wrong, both legs are in the air as he is in the middle of switching the lead. And some of the trotting ones showing his "one-leg" stand, upon closer inspection, do not show what the commentator says.