• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

USDF Associate "Certified" Instructor???? Huh?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • USDF Associate "Certified" Instructor???? Huh?

    Confused!?! Nothing personally against this person, and I do not know her, but,

    While snooping around on the USDF website at instructors and snooping around some more on various instructors websites, I found this person who claims they are a certified Associate Instructor.

    http://paintedvalley.com/index.html (scroll down - person on right side)

    http://paintedvalley.com/maa_training.htm

    The problem I have with this is that it is false advertising to state that you are certified, when you are infact, not tested! Knowledge has not been varified. It is PUC to falsely capitalize on the word certified, and to position oneself with those who have been tested on the USDF Instructor Certification Program, and who have paid to be tested!

  • #2
    On the USDF site, they list their levels of certification, and the first level is "USDF Associate Instructor"
    link to the page on the site : http://www.usdf.org/education/instru...n/levels.asp#I

    I. USDF Associate Instructor

    Criteria
    • Minimum Age - 18
    • Current USDF Participating Member
    • First Aid Certification
    • Three (3) written recommendations. (These must be from judges or other dressage professionals who can verify candidates teaching and training abilities and attest to his/her character)
    • Participation in a recognized USDF Instructor Certification Workshop Series as a Participating Instructor. These workshops include Lunging, Riding and Teaching. Participation in any workshop series prior to application is applicable. Associate Instructor Applicants will have to provide copies of their evaluation sheets to verify participation.
    Benefits
    • Instructor Newsletter
    • Invitation to USDF National Trainers Conferences
    • Invitation to USDF Instructor/Trainer Open Sessions at Convention
    • Listing in USDF Directory
    • Listing on USDF Instructor/Trainer Web Site
    Fees
    • One Time Processing Fee - $25
    • Annual Fee $40 (Must be paid by annually to maintain benefits package)
    "Lord, please help me be the person my dog thinks I am"

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytesio

    Comment


    • #3
      I agree with claiming to be certified when in fact she has not been tested but has completed the workshops for lunging teaching and riding. Its the same thing with ones that have gone through the USDF "L" (learner) judge program claiming they are a USDF judge. These people know that most dont research the criteria for certification.

      You know anyone can hang out a shingle and call themselves what ever they wish. I believe this is one of the reasons for the USDF/USEF level qualification. To weed out riders that dont belong at a certain level.
      I am glad the committee has tabled the discussion for qualification. There are too many "kinks" still that need to be worked out.

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Right, but Associate Instructors are NOT certified?

        http://www.usdf.org/about/contact/ce...ss=Instructors



        Notes:
        Type 2 Denotes Certification at Training Through Second Level

        Type 4 Denotes Certification at Training Through Fourth Level

        Type A Denotes Recognition as an Associate Instructor (successfully completed the USDF Instructor Certification Workshop series in Lungeing, Teaching and Riding but are not yet certified)

        Comment


        • #5
          I must be confused then, as the USDF seems to list USDF Associate Instructor under their "levels of certification" section. That would indicate to me that it is a level of certification. Must be poor web design...someone should tell them.
          "Lord, please help me be the person my dog thinks I am"

          http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytesio

          Comment


          • #6
            well, let's cut to the chase: are you asking about Kathryn Stodick?

            There is a link on that site which doesn't work. After googling her, she is recognized on the USDF site as a certified USDF Associate Instructor, scroll down http://www.usdf.org/press/news/view-news.asp?news=157


            Originally posted by Fantastic View Post
            Confused!?! Nothing personally against this person, and I do not know her, but,

            While snooping around on the USDF website at instructors and snooping around some more on various instructors websites, I found this person who claims they are a certified Associate Instructor.

            http://paintedvalley.com/index.html (scroll down - person on right side)

            http://paintedvalley.com/maa_training.htm

            The problem I have with this is that it is false advertising to state that you are certified, when you are infact, not tested! Knowledge has not been varified. It is PUC to falsely capitalize on the word certified, and to position oneself with those who have been tested on the USDF Instructor Certification Program, and who have paid to be tested!

            Comment


            • #7
              http://www.usdf.org/press/news/view-news.asp?news=157

              "The USDF is proud to recognize six new USDF Associate Instructors. This USDF Instructor Certification Program category recognizes instructors who have received positive evaluations after participating in USDF Instructor Certification Workshops. Each applicant must have participated in at least one workshop in the lungeing, riding, and teaching categories. The following USDF members have completed the USDF Associate Instructor requirements:"
              "Lord, please help me be the person my dog thinks I am"

              http://www.flickr.com/photos/mytesio

              Comment

              • Original Poster

                #8
                Yes, that is the person on that website that says they are a Certified instructor. I am asking about ANYONE who advertises they are CERTIFIED when they are not; not just this person.

                The hint is in the text. Please read:

                USDF Announces New Associate and Certified Instructors
                and

                The USDF is proud to recognize six new USDF Associate Instructors. This USDF Instructor Certification Program category recognizes instructors who have received positive evaluations after participating in USDF Instructor Certification Workshops. Each applicant must have participated in at least one workshop in the lungeing, riding, and teaching categories.
                and

                Type A Denotes Recognition as an Associate Instructor (successfully completed the USDF Instructor Certification Workshop series in Lungeing, Teaching and Riding but are not yet certified

                Comment


                • #9
                  AI's just go take the courses, no tests as far as I know.
                  I.D.E.A. yoda

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    AI's just go take the courses, no tests as far as I know.

                    My point exactly.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      but they have received positive evaluations from USDF and are credited by USDF, as opposed to just taking the course, for what it's worth:

                      "This USDF Instructor Certification Program category recognizes instructors who have received positive evaluations after participating in USDF Instructor Certification Workshops. Each applicant must have participated in at least one workshop in the lungeing, riding, and teaching categories...

                      "The USDF Instructor Certification Program is designed to set a standard of excellence in dressage training and instruction in the United States. Instructor Certification identifies those instructors who have demonstrated the knowledge and abilities necessary to teach the classical concepts of dressage and meet specified standards of proficiencies." " http://www.usdf.org/press/news/view-news.asp?news=157

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I see what you're saying Fantastic, but I think you're getting carried away.

                        It appears to me (from the language you've quoted) that the Associate Instructor program is part of the broader Instructor Certification program. I wouldn't have any qualms about an AI saying they are a "Certified" AI... and I certainly don't think its false advertising.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Agree with rileyt above. I checked both the trainer's bio pieces and scrutinized the USDF description of its instructor certification program. It looks like the young lady in question is just a bit imprecise in her use of USDF terms. Technically, no, she is not "certified" as an instructor of any level. However, she has met the criteria for the title "associate instructor," so I can see her stating that she has been generically "certified" as an AI. I'll also point out that USDF is a little inconsistent in the use of their own terminology, to whit, this direct quote from their own pages:

                          "USDF offers certification (emphasis mine) in five categories:
                          • Associate Instructor
                          • Certified Instructor/Trainer; Training through Second Level
                          • Recognized Teacher; Training through Second Level
                          • Certified Instructor/Trainer; Third through Fourth Level
                          • Recognized Teacher; Third through Fourth Level"
                          So I can see how one could consider oneself a "certified" AI.
                          Last edited by coloredhorse; Jan. 22, 2008, 08:38 PM.
                          Equinox Equine Massage

                          In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was in me invincible summer.
                          -Albert Camus

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            You might want to check with the USDF. They sell their "certified" instructor paraphernalia to all the instructors who are on their site...which includes "associate" instructors. That stuff says "USDF Certified Instructor" on it--and they don't sell it to just anyone. So, I'd say that it's not an issue. She can say certified, she should just list the level of qualification as an associate.
                            "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I audited the program that the person in question was a participating instructor candidate. It is no walk in the park to be under the eye of the instructors of this course. I missed one session but ( lunging the rider) but saw all the others.

                              I think we are arguing semantics more than anything else. If you have huge concern with her terminology the best persons to clarify are the USDF.

                              The person in question is an excellent rider and one of a handful I would send a young horse to if I wanted it well started. She impressed me with her tactful ridingand her gracious, positive character. It was exciting to watch her young horse develop over the year this program was in progress.
                              _\\]
                              -- * > hoopoe
                              Procrastinate NOW
                              Introverted Since 1957

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I think it is kind of like the issue there has been with the L program, where graduates are not "L judges" or "Learner judges" but technically "L program graduates" because only the USEF can license "judges". It's a matter of wording, and most make the mistake (if you want to call it that) completely innocently. With the L program, they have been trying to educate the new graduates as to how to identify themselves in ads, business cards etc.. Perhaps the Instructor Certification program could do the same more clearly. I do think the various categories get a bit confusing to those who don't know the programs.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Okay, here's yet another addition. It seems that the USDF told the first batch of "associate" level instructors that they could be considered certified associate level instructors. So, blame it on the USDF. I'm not sure if they are still saying that, or not, but that's what I've heard.

                                  Personally, I still don't have a problem with it. It's the rating that you have that shows what you've done with the program. And you have to get at least a T-2 certification with them to get the extra benefits. But the associates do get some extras from the USDF, so they are being certified by them on some level.
                                  "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

                                  Comment

                                  Working...
                                  X