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  • ambulance at devon (today, fri)

    I saw the tail end of an accident in the warmup ring, ending in an ambulance ride for someone. Does anyone know what happened and if the rider was okay?
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    #2
    bump?

    A friend of mine saw the accident -- it involved rearing/bucking and the rider was thrown to the cement spectator area. The horse was big and dark and the rider seemed very experienced. The misbehavior came from nowhere, all seemed well but the horse spooked suddently. Trigger any recollection?
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    • #3
      Oh, my goodness.

      Hope the rider is OK. Surely someone knows.

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        #4
        From what i understand

        The fall was pretty horrific but my friend said she thought the rider was moving his arms. Hoping no news is good news.
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        • #5
          Hey Stacey, I was walking by and yes he was moving his arms slowly as they started to pack him up, poor guy. There were too many accidents this year for sure. There was something like five accidents on Tuesday or Wednesday! One girl lost her spleen and I think I heard broken pelvis from a lunging accident....

          In my eyes, there were a number of things that were less than user friendly this year that really don't make me want to go running back. Horses were falling down that hill into the stabling left and ride. When I made a suggestion to the pink hat, he told me very rudely, "Lady...this is Devon and it's been that way for 35 years". So that makes it ok?

          After we had a near miss, we opted to go through the parking lot, and got yelled at for that too. Saturday they put a sign up saying that we had to dismount to go up or down the slope. I'm not sure I felt safe mounting my four year old who couldn't be lunged because of a conflict with the Dixon Oval training time out in either of the streets with horse trailers and people milling around either...I finally just said, "You don't like it, call the Steward". I do know that if I do go back, I won't be bringing young horses anymore!

          Happy to be home and safe where it's horse friendly again!

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          • Original Poster

            #6
            accidents

            Well, I'm a big fan of DAD but the condition of my four year old's stall was deplorable, spent an hour pulling out staples and nails.

            The volunteers seemed very tense -- I had a couple of unpleasant interactions, one of which was my fault (nerves, I didn't see a sign posted) and the other was IMHO someone being a PITA. Volunteers at DAD this week need to be cut a lot of slack I suppose :-).

            I didn't know there were so many close calls.
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            • #7
              Volunteers being the optimum word here as in..Giving Freely of Their Time.

              Also the TD's were exceptionaly vigulant this year.
              Every thing Everyone under scrutiny
              Say there is a change in the wind for next year??

              Lots of rule enforcements, DAD parent commitee very concerned over safety.

              With WEG running simultanious the venders #'s down, entries for Breed show way down from last year and gate tickets down.
              This is a show that didn't cover its running expenses last year and most likely very poor $$ this year.

              "Horses were falling down that hill into the stabling left and ride. When I made a suggestion to the pink hat, he told me very rudely, "Lady...this is Devon and it's been that way for 35 years". So that makes it ok?"

              And that comment most likely lead to the dismount sign you didn't like.

              DAD does not own the show grounds, they work with what is there. The stall conditions you need to complain to the people who actually own the facility and clean the premisies between shows. Do you think Devon Spring has it any better?? No but running more days, more foot traffic more horses they have less injuries??
              I agree about the stalls, but I come prepared to pull out staples, nail or screw in loose stuff and check my bedding for trash.

              The rider who was launched off onto the asphalt (wearing a helmet) had a concussion, broken collar bone and injuries to shoulder. As of yesterday he was on the grounds but going back to hospital for another look at his head.

              The inebriated lady who took a header down the grand stand metal stair needed head stitches and a trip to the ER but she refused.

              Any good suggestions regarding scheduling, running the show and being the Volunteer coordinater , you can contact DAD on-line. If you have ideas on safety issues they would love to hear from you.
              Its a tremendous undertaking w/ very few paid positions.

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              • #8
                Don't get me wrong, we're fans too and I love showing there! But when it comes to safety and the welfare of the horse, I do have to take care of the horses and people first. I'm glad we weren't the only ones who noticed the cranky volunteers, I was starting to get a complex. And we had a stabling problem as well that they chose to ignore rather than resolve. I don't want to get into all the issues in a public forum, but plan to write a letter directly to the USEF. There are a number of FEI competitors/trainers who were pretty outspoken about the goings on. It would be nice to see DaD try to take some positive steps in making it a better and safer place!

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                • #9
                  Did I read this correctly: Horses were FALLING DOWN going up and down a slope? What was wrong with them?

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                  • #10
                    It wasn't the comment that led to the sign. I believe there was another fall. Janine was out there for the third time that I saw, and I think it was likely her doing as she was VERY concerned with the hill and the mat.

                    I volunteer frequently at shows up here when my schedule allows. But the fact is, while I give my time, I don't speak rudely to anyone. If I have a problem with a competitor I go to the TD. That's that.

                    It's the horses welfare and safety first. By the way, I was having my bit checked when the lady went down and saw the entire thing first hand. I saw her feet fly through the air. She went down completely upside down and backwards, it had to hurt. My horse only spooked mildly at that. But when the dog who was standing at the ingate went ballistic, again, not the dogs fault, but did he have to be at the ingate to the arena that we had been chased away from early that day when we were told to go to the ring for our sound checks, and the EMT came running at the other gate, again doing his job, caused my horse to lose it violently, which I really couldn't blame him either, but the poor bit checker almost got it as well. It's no one's fault really, but if someone had gotten hurt, I would have felt terrible, but it really was not a fair situation to my horse. If they were concerned with safety, I would think that they would allow us to have our bits checked at a slightly less active area. I know I can "stay on" through it all, but there's many other people milling around that in gate who could have potentially been seriously hurt.

                    I've been to Devon a few times prior. But never had I experienced it like this year.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                      "Horses were falling down that hill into the stabling left and ride. ..."
                      Which 'hill' are you referring to? If it was one of the grassy slopes, I can see how the rain may have made the ground slippery. Blocking off the area would certainly be a good safety move in my book.

                      The Devon Breed Show days always make me nervous in terms of safety ... too many horses with inexperienced / inattentive handlers in too small an area. I've shown, groomed, and spectated there for years and always move through the horse areas with hyper-awareness of what is happening around me.

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                      • #12
                        The "hill" is an asphalt slope that one must carefully navigate while going from the upper barns/ring area to the lower barns. A rubber mat was there for horses,
                        and pedestrians could use it or keep to the side on the asphalt.

                        If show staff were tense, it may have been because of the stress of bad weather, the heavy rains on Thursday and the power going off. Classes and events were cancelled, and re-scheduling could not have been easy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                          The rider who was launched off onto the asphalt (wearing a helmet) had a concussion, broken collar bone and injuries to shoulder. As of yesterday he was on the grounds but going back to hospital for another look at his head.
                          Can you say who the rider was? Process of elimination tells me it is "M.O.". Am I right?

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                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            volunteers

                            The volunteers should all get a pat on the back. The guys managing traffic could not have been nicer and the show secretary was very pleasant. The folks managing the ebb and flow from the Dixon Oval had probably seen far too much in the way of accidents and problems. They were a bit terse with us, and we were tense and I was probably a bit terse back at them. But they were more directive/authoritative than rude. I'm sure they felt responsible and their attitude reflected that.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                              Can you say who the rider was? Process of elimination tells me it is "M.O.". Am I right?
                              I watched it happen from the volunteer room window and to be honest, I do not know did not ask and was not told.
                              It was just assumed we all knew who it was???

                              His mother-in-law stopped by yesterday to give us that little update....the others we never got feed back from. Didn't know anyone lost a spleen???

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                              • #16
                                I know the rider who was launched onto the concrete. He has a broken collarbone and a concussion, but thankfully is on his way home now and on the mend. Honestly, he would probably rather the incident not be publicized alongside his name on this forum, so I'm not saying anything more.

                                There were several injuries at DaD this year; please everyone stop the speculating and just send them your good wishes and/or prayers.

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                                • #17
                                  Not a spleen but a lacerated liver , broken elbow(surgery to repair has been done) and several broken ribs. She was in ICU and now in step down. If she can come off the drugs, will be discharged Wednesday to go home and be in bed for 6 weeks.
                                  I will not name names as hers has not been placed out here by the proper people.
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                                  • #18
                                    Okay, I'm putting on my flame colored suit here:

                                    With WEG running simultanious the venders #'s down, entries for Breed show way down from last year and gate tickets down.
                                    This is a show that didn't cover its running expenses last year and most likely very poor $$ this year.
                                    Given that WEG was running simultaneously, they should have expected the vendors to be down...why didn't they plan accordingly? It's not like WEG was a scheduling surprise?
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                                    • #19
                                      well wishes to those who were hurt...I love Devon but have only done the breed shows and my horse was handled by a pro. I don't think I would have been able to control a "bebe" in that electric atmosphere!
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by BetterOffRed View Post
                                        Okay, I'm putting on my flame colored suit here:



                                        Given that WEG was running simultaneously, they should have expected the vendors to be down...why didn't they plan accordingly? It's not like WEG was a scheduling surprise?
                                        Yeah...of course they did, but the economey sucks, Vendors sign -up the don't follow thru and pay for their space.
                                        Some of the staples went to WEG and money for those booths were outrageous so of course DAD was cut.
                                        Volunteers, vendor, spectators, BNT w/ students got to WEG = less $$ for DAD.
                                        2 years ago they were polling and planning.

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