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  • 40 minutes of Totilas preparation

    Greatest inspiration. What´s your opinion?

    http://www.horse2rider.eu/Webnodes/e...+tr%E6net+idag

  • #2
    WOW! This is worth watching For me the hallmark of a truly extraordinary athlete is that s/he makes it look so effortless that (for a nano second) you can delude yourself into thinking "even I could do this" (ha-ha). Nobody makes it look effortless better than Totilas and Edward Gal And then they go into the ring and take my breath away.

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    • #3
      Too closed in the throatlach but better work then I've seen in the past. His back looks much looser and doesn't seem so uneven behind.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by cuatx55 View Post
        Too closed in the throatlach but better work then I've seen in the past. His back looks much looser and doesn't seem so uneven behind.
        Can we watch a video of you warm-up?

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        • #5
          They are a phenomenal pair. They DO make it look easy, and that's what's so wonderful about it!!! Lovely, lovely, lovely…

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cute_lil_fancy_pants_pony View Post
            Can we watch a video of you warm-up?
            Yes, I agree. I wonder if a "closed throat latch" will be the ONLY note to make...
            ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
            http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by cute_lil_fancy_pants_pony View Post
              Can we watch a video of you warm-up?
              What's cuatx55's eye or expertise got to do with a warm-up video of their riding??
              ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
              ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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              • #8
                Some of you are unbelievable. Personally, I would cheerfully pillage and burn to have Gal's seat and incredible tact on a horse. To me this video was less about "the perfect dressage horse" (as if there is one, lol) and more about a very nice training ride and a great partnership outside of the competition arena.

                What sets Toto apart, IMHO, is not his gaits. Or even his pretty face though a little equine eye candy never hurts <grin> It's his incredible temperament, high trainability and a personality (horseanality) that seems to thrive on the spotlight. He has, again JMO, an incredible mind and boundless generosity.

                And you know what folks? That's a combination that's easy to mess up? Gal's light, still seat, quiet legs and soft arms makes it easy for Toto to give it his all. Which he does. Even in his corrections, Gal's practically invisible. And his expression never changes - happy, relaxed, sympathetic. Never seen any footage or stills of him look anything else but the above.

                Sure you can criticize Toto. The perfect horse has never been foaled. Is he a bit tight in the throatlatch? Sure. He's a young horse and IMO some of this is a factor of his conformation. Ditto the trackup behind. He's built to sit down; extension is harder for him. So be it. Never thought dressage said "Well if you do it right you can correct every shortcoming a horse has." It can't.

                Really tired of the nitpicking. Why not just enjoy this partnership? It's among the all time greats and I'd bet some of the ODGs would agree. They may not agree with every aspect of the training, but I'm pretty sure there'd be some jostling of elbows to have a "sit" on Toto.

                Sue
                "Horsemanship is not merely a matter of bodily skills, but is based on scholarship and, therefore, is a matter of the mind and intellect." Charles de Kunffy

                http://www.equiimages.com

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                • #9
                  Wonderful post, Sue. Thanks for focusing on what really matters and seeing the glass half full. Gal is the closest I've yet seen to someone who rides with invisible aids. The partnership between the two is nothing short of amazing! Totilas is a horse that is joyfully working to please his rider. How much more could anyone ask for!

                  Also love Laura Bechtolsheimer and Hojris--another lovely combination.

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                  • #10
                    i agree that their warmups are super..... but i cant get that nagging idea out of my head that he uses rollkur on this very fab horse.

                    hopefully he stopped doing that ..... if not? i cant support him in any way : (

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mbm View Post
                      i agree that their warmups are super..... but i cant get that nagging idea out of my head that he uses rollkur on this very fab horse.

                      hopefully he stopped doing that ..... if not? i cant support him in any way : (
                      When I saw that you posted... I just knew it would be something brilliant
                      ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                      http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by suzy View Post
                        Wonderful post, Sue. Thanks for focusing on what really matters and seeing the glass half full. Gal is the closest I've yet seen to someone who rides with invisible aids. The partnership between the two is nothing short of amazing! Totilas is a horse that is joyfully working to please his rider. How much more could anyone ask for!

                        Also love Laura Bechtolsheimer and Hojris--another lovely combination.
                        Agreed.

                        Lots to love about the top competitors at the WEG this year!
                        ~~Member of the TB's Rule Clique ~~
                        http://www.off-breed-dressage.blogspot.com/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by suzy View Post
                          Wonderful post, Sue. Thanks for focusing on what really matters and seeing the glass half full. Gal is the closest I've yet seen to someone who rides with invisible aids. The partnership between the two is nothing short of amazing! Totilas is a horse that is joyfully working to please his rider. How much more could anyone ask for!

                          Also love Laura Bechtolsheimer and Hojris--another lovely combination.
                          Oh yeah. Laura and Hojris are lovely to watch. She's another one with a killer seat and lovely aids. This pair is right on Gal's and Toto's heels and rightly so.

                          Also love Peters and Ravel. Ravel is a super mover, but IMO does not quite have the "wowser" <grin> mind of Toto. He seems to be a bit more difficult and explosive IMO. Do love the way Peters rides and the joy he evinces at the end of each ride.

                          Guess I am into watching people enjoy horses.

                          Sue
                          "Horsemanship is not merely a matter of bodily skills, but is based on scholarship and, therefore, is a matter of the mind and intellect." Charles de Kunffy

                          http://www.equiimages.com

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mbm View Post
                            i agree that their warmups are super..... but i cant get that nagging idea out of my head that he uses rollkur on this very fab horse.

                            hopefully he stopped doing that ..... if not? i cant support him in any way : (
                            If you mean rollkur in the sense of being forced into a head to chest position for eons of time - nope, don't think he does so at least with this horse. He probably uses deep riding and I'm really not against some deep riding because I think it has some gymnastic benefit to the horse if used in moderation.

                            Look at the horse - his neck is soft and moving, his head moves, his jaw is relaxed and mouth is mobile. When Gal gives him the reins he extends his neck and reaches for the bit. Horses who are continually "jammed" tend to have immobile, stiff necks and hold themselves with tension.

                            I have to judge on what I see in front of me - I see a happy, relaxed horse who is a bit of a ham, (LOL, but love this about the horse) who trusts his rider and is happy doing the work. I don't associate that with forceful riding - but I could be wrong.

                            Sue
                            "Horsemanship is not merely a matter of bodily skills, but is based on scholarship and, therefore, is a matter of the mind and intellect." Charles de Kunffy

                            http://www.equiimages.com

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                            • #15
                              there were vids from a clinic last year maybe? where he rode Totilas in rollkur. maybe not as forceful as anky and AC, but rollkur none the less.

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                              • #16
                                At first I was going to write, "mbm, you need to get a life." But I don't think that you realize that you sound like a broken record and that you add nothing to the conversation. But then I remembered the oh so handy ignore button. Problem solved!
                                "I'm holding out for the $100,000 Crossrail Classic in 2012." --mem
                                "With all due respect.. may I suggest you take up Croquet?" --belambi
                                Proud Member of the Opinionated Redhead Club!

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                                • #17
                                  I am curious about those clinic videos of Gal riding Totilas in Rollkur as well, since I just watched one of Gal doing so, on Totilas, in a 2010 clinic. Honestly, can anyone explain?? It was not simply a few seconds granted it was not for 40min straight either and did not seem as forceful as I have seen. However it was Rollkur nonetheless and it makes me wonder, particularly since Gal practises Anky's methods from what I understand, what at goes on behind the scenes. That said, I have to admit Totilas does seem soft and relaxed - I love how he sits back for the most part. There are certain flaws I do not like to see in a WEG horse however and that could possibly indicate to me fundamental 'flaws' in his overall training though. So I am asking honestly, since thus far mbm seems to be personally attacked rather than have their points addressed.
                                  ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
                                  ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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                                  • #18
                                    I think the point was addressed by SueL -- a horse continuously in Rollkur would not be loose and relaxed, they would hold, have tension, and when given the reins, generally not telescope their neck out toward the bit as Totilas does at any break.

                                    I also agree with SueL that some deep work does supple the horse. Ever done yoga? That is not in a person's normal range of motion, but the stretching of muscles, tendons, etc loosens and strengthens if done correctly. If done incorrectly it can lead to injury. IMHO, the same goes for deep work in the FEI dressage horse.
                                    When the student is ready, the teacher will appear.

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                                    • #19
                                      I would lean towards that direction as well fizzy, but there is also probably equal evidence that it is possible he is Rollkured.

                                      I think that perhaps riding a horse deep - if done softly (as Gal seems to be doing in the clinics on youtube I have seen thus far) and not forcefully could be beneficial for sure...if done for say 15s at a time and only with a couple of repeats. Same as in yoga (let's not forget either that yoga is not done in motion (ie. hyperextension while walking, jogging, or running), with weight on your back, and for an extended period of time). The youtube clinic videos I have seen thus far of Totilas and Gal indicate such a (correct) use of deep however Gal being under Anky's tutelage does make me wonder about behind the scenes. Do any of us really know how these horses are trained behind the scenes??
                                      ....horses should be trained in such a way that they not only love their riders, but look forward to the time they are with them.
                                      ~ Xenophon, 350 B.C.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by mbm View Post
                                        i agree that their warmups are super..... but i cant get that nagging idea out of my head that he uses rollkur on this very fab horse.

                                        hopefully he stopped doing that ..... if not? i cant support him in any way : (
                                        And maybe he is so fab BECAUSE of that method..have you ever thought of that
                                        Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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