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  • Throwing Head in transition to canter

    I am having major, MAJOR issues with my mare and it is so frustrating.

    So basically I bought her about a year and a half ago, as a very green, spooky, wild, feral, crazy QH x Arab project horse. She couldn't canter (cross-gait three steps, trot two steps, galloping the next) and it's taken me a good year to get the canter correct but she's definitely got it now and is very balanced.

    However, the problem has always been the transitions. I don't know if it's because she is just being a mare or if she is getting upset with me or what... but whenever I ask for canter, whether it's through walk, trot or the halt, she literally THROWS her head up in my face. This is very frustrating, and it definitely hasn't improved in the time I've had her.

    I can't pin point it either - I've changed the way I ask her (from asking only with the inside leg, only outside, both), I've tried just saying "canter"...and it doesn't matter how through, soft and relaxed she is, as soon as I ask canter she loses it. Once the transition is over she is fine again.

    I have had her saddle checked, her back checked, her teeth - everything is absolutely fine! I am really look for some help here as I can not work out how to fix it.

    She has established leg yields, shoulder fore and shoulder-in,
    so there is no reason why she shouldn't be able to stay through in the transition.

    Thank you for the help!

  • #2
    Not saying this is true in your case, but usually the head toss during the transition is caused by the rider's hands not following the horse's mouth properly when asking for the transition.

    At the moment of giving the leg and seat aids for canter the rider loses focus of the hands and bumps the horse in the mouth rather than following the mouth.

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    • #3
      Following up on the thoughts of Baroque pony, Can you ask for a canter depart with no hand (both hands)?
      Just let your hands be forward in the up transition. I would ask for the depart in the second half of a corner, in the first half of the corner leg yield, asking for more use of the inside hind leg --less use of the inside rein-- then ask for the canter depart on the way out of the corner.

      In the rest of your rides, how much self carriage do you allow of your horse? Do you have contact all the time or do you give her the reins? Not throwing the reins away but not have a constant hold all the time. Offer her freedom on one rein or the other all the time, in every gait.

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      • #4
        We had similar problems with our Arab/QH cross and he ended up needing a Chiropractor adjustment.
        "If you've got a horse, you've got a problem"

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        • #5
          Posted by jcotton:

          Offer her freedom on one rein or the other all the time, in every gait.
          Nice way to put that. Very important that you do not accidentally *catch your horse's mouth in a vice* when you think you are only *maintaining contact with both hands*, so to speak.

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          • #6
            Try doing a connecting HH before,during and after the transition!
            "Success comes in cans, not in cannots!"

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            • #7
              Does she do the same thing on the lunge line? I would consider this an important diagnostic question. I am not a horse trainer or dressage, expert lol, but in working with my own green horse I can use th lunge line as a litmus test: if my horse does something both on the lunge and off equally then it is probably him (whether physical, mental etc.), but if he stops doing it on the lunge or it is at least reduced on the lunge, I am probably, unfortuntely, at the very least a contributing factor.
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              • #8
                Does it happen in both directions? One direction more than the other? On the longe?

                My gelding was weak behind from a bout of EPM and did this until he was stronger. Once he was stronger, then he only did it going to the right, and then he stopped doing it altogether. It was almost like he couldn't push off with his hindquarter well, so he would lift his front by using his neck as something "easier".

                Not sure I'm explaining that well.

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                • #9
                  Ask for the canter depart in the corner. Add more inside bend and flexion when you ask. You want the horse to initiate the canter by pushing with his outside hind; sounds like horse wants to pull himself into the canter with his forehand. Could be a training problem or weakness in the haunches.
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                  • #10
                    Everyone has given excellent suggestions. If, after tryng the "diagnostic" things (can she canter on the lunge without head tossing, or asking for canter with light or no contact, eliminating possible rider interference...) try asking for canter from shoulder-in on a circle or after leg-yielding to the rail. In both cases, be certain you yield the inside rein as you ask for canter.

                    This strategy has helped with an Arab gelding a client owns.

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                    • #11
                      my arab mare does the same exact thing. When I tell my son to ask for canter with a loooong rein (think on the buckle) she does not toss her head. I don't have the courage to do it, so I have him working on it. As she gets better during the work, I have him begin to pick up the reins a little during hte transitions. This is an arab thing and will def take time to work thru. They get blocked feeling very easily.

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                      • #12
                        I don't believe its an "arab thing" to throw the head up in a transition where they may get snatched in the mouth. Most any horse, of any breed, does not appreciate a snatch in the mouth.

                        It took me years to have the confidence to throw the reins away in transitions and allow them freedom from constant contact on both reins. And my horses are going better than ever now because of my changes in my riding.

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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Thank you everyone for the insight and comments, it’s really appreciated. Each and every one of you had some things to say, so I thought I would address you all individually.

                          BaroquePony – I will try this tomorrow when I go to ride her, this is definitely possible. I cannot say whether I hold more then usual during the transitions, but after my ride tomorrow with my focusing on it, perhaps I will be able to tell!

                          Jcotton – Definitely, she is very well voice trained and I can ask her to canter with no leg, no hand and no seat. However, do to the nature of dressage, that is not always possible – I’m not sure if sometimes it is an over-reaction to my aids and it upsets or what? Throughout my ride, I am always giving the inside rein (with slack) to promote self carriage and she is capable of holding herself for about ten steps before I need to take up the contact again and ride her through. She bends, counter-flexes, yields etc. At the touch of the leg and change of leading seat bone so I wonder if sometimes it is that I’m asking “too much” for canter.

                          Wishnwell – I was thinking about getting her done again, she has only ever had bowen therapy and is definitely not an unhappy and in pain horse!

                          EasyStreet – HH are our nemesis – she is hugely lazy now compared to what she was when I bought her and HH to her means stop!! She is very sensitive and I only have to think whoa and she hugely whoas! Somehting we need to work on for sure.

                          Myvanya – I haven’t done a lot of work with her on the lunge due to lack of round yard and also I hate using a lunge line because I think it interferes with them too much. I have done a few loose lunging sessions but this was done with gear on (and unfortunately, my old trainer condoned tying the head down and wouldn’t listen to me argue so there is no way I would have been able to see what was happening!) I might try this in the next couple of days and report back on how I went!

                          OneGrayPony – What is EPM? It is in both directions, just as bad as the other. It is possible she is not as strong as I think she is behind, but once we have passed the canter transition, she uses her hind really well.

                          Eclectic Horseman – Thank you for the suggestion, I will definitely try this.

                          Beasmom – I agree, the suggestions given so far have been really helpful! It’s just such a strange problem to have, she is educated enough and can pick up canter on a circle, on the straight, counter canter on circle and straight but the transition is horrible!!

                          Arabaiansrock – I do agree with you there, they are quick to the get the blocked up feeling, especially when tense. I will possibly have to go back to basics by the sound of it.

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                          • #14
                            Release your inside rein and lift it a little as you ask for the canter depart. Make sure that you are weighting your outside stirrup more than the inside one.

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                            • #15
                              Most of the time head flinging in the trot/canter transition is due to not having the horse through, forward and on the aids at trot. Very simple equation- horse through and forward in trot, on the bit and round, canter transition is easy, and horse stays round. No magic lifting of one rein or another, no throwing the reins away.

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                              • #16
                                mickeydoodle - you are so right

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                                  #17
                                  mickeydoodle - Normally I would agree with you, but this is something so completely different! It doesn't matter how through she is, how soft, how relaxed, you can have her LDR or in a very uphill frame before the transition but as soon as you ask for canter - GONE!

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                                  • #18
                                    OP-- don't really have anything helpful to contribute but she is GORGEOUS!!!

                                    I'm jealous!

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                                      #19
                                      Sparling_Sunset - Thank you, she is my baby

                                      I am actually a jumper, but I take my dressage very seriously (and love it just as much!)

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by luchiamae View Post
                                        mickeydoodle - Normally I would agree with you, but this is something so completely different! It doesn't matter how through she is, how soft, how relaxed, you can have her LDR or in a very uphill frame before the transition but as soon as you ask for canter - GONE!
                                        it is not the frame, it is not relaxation it is IMPULSION and forward that will make the transition- the trot must be really going to have a smooth transition on the bit

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