• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Anyone attend the Edward Gal clinic?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Anyone attend the Edward Gal clinic?

    I would have loved to go but it was a bad weekend for me. Fingers crossed that someone who went will be able to put up some comments/observations.

  • #2
    I attended. I don't have time to give details but here's the short form:

    Ride forward. More active behind. Don't waggle the horse's head from side to side. Take the rein and just wait until horse gives in. Ride through your transitions. Don't use a whip. Forget the whip. Learn to use your leg and seat.

    Make the horse work from the start. Don't allow the horse to come off the bit on walk breaks.

    The riders all rode well. The horses were well behaved. The facility was beautiful. The speakers and mics worked.

    Gal was gracious and nice but direct and to the point. No stopping allowed while asking questions or listening to his suggestions. They really got no breaks for an hour. Boy, you had better be fit to ride for him.

    Lunch was nice. Pies were great!!

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Thank you!

      Comment


      • #4
        Super clinic for horses and riders, he was very firm in the basics. The riders had to have the horses in front of the leg and forward, as well as straight, bendable, had to have control of tempo before they could do any lateral/collection/fun stuff.

        Some good points:

        1. every aid must have a reaction from the horse, be clear and expect a reaction. Do not work harder than the horse. Many American riders ride "too much backward" he said.

        2. if the aid does not get a reaction- one horse had absolutely no reaction to the whip- one must use the aid in a manner to get the reaction, not just keep repeating the same aid.

        3. the horse should stay at the tempo requested by the rider until the rider changes it. For example if you ask for lengthening/medium on a long side, do not let the horse just fade into less tempo in the corner, make it your decision.

        4. Lighten the curb, give the hand a little for forward but do not throw away the connection. if making a corrective aid (as in you asked for forward nicely, did not get it and had to give a big kick) give more, do not immediately care where the head of the horse is, when he is forward get back the roundness.

        5. the horse must be straight (shoulder fore) in the different tempos, if they throw their haunches in, or shoulder out, they are not really forward in the connection.

        6. Ride a FORWARD canter in the changes.


        The farm was lovely, lunch was a little light for the cost. Plenty of water and soda as it got hotter.

        Comment


        • #5
          Many American riders ride "too much backward" he said.

          does that mean he thinks US riders are in the Dark Ages with dressage or riders are riding front to back too much

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
            does that mean he thinks US riders are in the Dark Ages with dressage or riders are riding front to back too much
            Hmmm.... I was curious as to which US riders he was referring too....those at the int'l level that he has seen in person, or those on the domestic side, that have never showed against him.

            BTW, where was the clinic ?

            Comment


            • #7
              A question was asked about the forward riding-we were allowed to write questions on a notecard and he answered between riders. He said it was the second time he had given a clinic in the US, and that he saw lots of riders doing lots of movements, without the horse having the basic aids-forward when asked, coming back when asked. He emphasized throughout the day that respect and obedience of the rider needed to be established before any movements were schooled. Rider #3 did only that-working on forward, and transitions within the gaits-he explained to her that she had to have that to school movements. His advice to her was to go home and school only what they had worked on today-then when that was established, she could begin working on other things.
              The facility was Gayla Driving. Absolutely beautiful, and nicely maintained.
              Agree that lunch was more like hors d'oevres than lunch. Pies were yummy, though. Hosts were gracious. Thought auditor rules strange-no talking at all, could not leave while clinic sessions going on (no bathroom trips), plus a dress code.

              Comment


              • #8
                I take that to mean that Gal thought the US riders were doing to many fancy manuevers before they had the horse listening to the aids and going forward when asked.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Yes, BP-that was pretty much how I took it.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BaroquePony View Post
                    I take that to mean that Gal thought the US riders were doing to many fancy manuevers before they had the horse listening to the aids and going forward when asked.
                    that is what I thought he meant too, not necessarily about riders like Steffan Peters, but those he encountered in the clinics he taught.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I looked at the slide show. Great photos.

                      I did not however see one rider that had a correct deep but light seat. I can see why he focused on straight and forward.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        No. You cannot make the call about correct seat from pictures. 4 of the 5 riders had very good deep and light seats. They just needed the forward/tempo control and immediate response to the aids, you could see that they would have it with some ground instruction for reminding. They were talented riders who would excel with a ground person like him ( or Sue Blinks, Steffan Peters, Ulla Salzgaber, Chris Hickey, Lilo Fore, Isabel Werth, ......)

                        Comment

                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Thanks for the additional info. I hope the rider who was encouraged to work on the transitions within gaits takes it for the great insight and advice it likely was. I have seen dedication to working on this take an average horse and make it lovely, and a lovely horse made into a head turner and in both cases, every - EVERYTHING - else was easier after that groundwork was laid.

                          What is the set up for spectators at Gayla Driving? I am hoping to make it to the Debbie McDonald clinic next spring. Do they have bleachers or do you need to bring chairs - are the spectators under roof on the sides of the ring or ??

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Gayla is incredibly spectator friendly. Its a huge arena and the spectators have comfortable chairs and tables at one end and bleachers and extra chairs on one long side. Very confortable .
                            Touchstone Farm. Visit us at the slideshow of our Dutch mares and foals below! 30 mnutes of photos.
                            http://www.smilebox.com/playBlog/4d6...304f513d3d0d0a

                            Comment

                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              Thank you.

                              I really appreciate the efforts that are going into bringing these clinics to the Lexington area.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I think it's fabulous that Edward Gal was willing to take the time to provide clinics for US riders. He looks like he would be really fun while working your buns off.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by mishmash View Post
                                  Thought auditor rules strange-no talking at all, could not leave while clinic sessions going on (no bathroom trips), plus a dress code.
                                  RunPee is my favorite ap! If I can't hold it through a movie, how could I hold it for four hours, yikes!

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by mishmash View Post
                                    Thought auditor rules strange-no talking at all, could not leave while clinic sessions going on (no bathroom trips), plus a dress code.
                                    Do tell more about the auditor dress code. I thought it remarkable that Gal was in jeans.

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      From the pdf on their website

                                      Auditor Requirements:
                                      1. Reservations are required. There will be an additional fee, for entry at the door, at time of clinic unless prepaid.

                                      2. You must remain seated while clinic is in session. Please be prepared to sit for three to four hours. We ask this to minimize distraction to our riders and teachers.

                                      3. Do not approach the clinician.

                                      4. The stabling area is strictly off limits.

                                      5. If you have questions, please leave them to the end of the session.

                                      6. Dress: casual with collared shirt and close toed shoes.

                                      7. Food: help us keep the area neat. Do not bring food into the riding and auditing areas.

                                      8. Chair space is limited, please bring your own chair.

                                      9. No photos or video for personal use.

                                      10. Cell phones off, silenced or on vibrate. Cell phones will not be allowed in the arena, or in the auditing areas.

                                      11. No dogs.

                                      12. No smoking.

                                      13. Mind your manners. We host clinics and classes in positive, friendly environments. We expect our participants to be kind, courteous, civil and professional to each other. If you cannot do this, we will ask you to leave, without refund and without return invitation.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        I don't think the clinic rules were unreasonable (from reading them - I didn't attend). Most of them are simply common courtesy.

                                        I was at a clinic recently where I couldn't hear the clinician well because a group of ladies were chatting away next to me through a good portion of it. It was extremely annoying as I had come to hear the clinician, not hear about their lunch plans, etc.

                                        The only one I wouldn't have been able to adhere to is the bathroom one… as I'm very pregnant at the moment, there would be no way to prepare my tiny bladder for that However, it sounds like the host barn was very courteous with the event, so I'm sure that with special arrangement, I could have sat at the far back/corer so that I could slip out without causing a distraction.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X