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Rationale for Showing, or not, During the Pandemic

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  • atlatl
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    Hmmm, let’s see I explicitly ask that people not judge others’ rationale, give my personal rationale for not showing, and say I’m interested in hearing others’ perspective because I don’t get it. Yet some interpret this as me judging others.

    News flash: having a different opinion isn’t automatically judging others.

    When presented with a different opinion one can react in many ways. A couple of options are:

    1) One can interpret the different opinion as a challenge to one's own beliefs and "right fight" by arguing that person is wrong and trying to convince all that you are correct.

    2) Seek to understand the rationale for the other opinion and use that to challenge one's own opinion. This is fundamentally the value of diversity, not just of appearance and background, but also of perspective and experience. Difference of opinion has many sources. On more than one occasion, I have actually said "I never thought of it that way."

    Some clues I use to differentiate between a difference of an opinion and a "right fight" is the use of pronouns. An opinion typically uses "I" and "me" or "my" as in "I think this", "This is my experience..."

    Right fighters tend to make statements about others such as "You're telling me ...." "you are wrong"

    I had a real turning point in the workforce with another person when I had this realization. One day in a meeting when we had very different opinions on the best way forward on a problem, instead of continuing to engage in right fighting (apparently, this person and I are descended from warring tribes) I stopped as asked "why do you think that?" instead of just arguing the benefits of my own position. The room fell silent, he was taken completely by surprise, thought for a moment, and gave his rationale in a much calmer voice. We then engaged in a much more civil dialog and found a middle ground that incorporated the best of our ideas and was a better solution for the entire endeavor. That lesson has stuck with me. YMMV

    Thanks to all who shared their perspectives in that spirit.

    Be well!
    Last edited by atlatl; Jul. 10, 2020, 10:11 AM.

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  • mjhco
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    I have a new horse (bought last year). Need more time to get us ready. So if I can go to a local schooling show where I can haul in, climb on, show, leave I will. But not in a hurry. Scores at this point are a moot point.

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  • lorilu
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    I am showing because:
    1. I'm 67 this weekend.
    2. Bravo is 15.
    3. I have been to shows and I find that people are wearing masks, not congregating, and practicing "safe showing". Dressage shows are not rail classes or H/J shows with grooms and trainers packed along the rail. It's a fairly individual event. We are certainly +6' away from each other.
    4. The showgrounds are 2 miles from my house and I sleep at home, hauling in for my classes.
    5. and finally, Regionals are 2 miles from my house for the first time this year and I have been looking forward to it for two years.

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  • Dutchmare433
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    I am showing, because I need a handful of scores to potentially move through the judging programs. My horse is fit and ready, but older. I'm not guaranteed to have another horse who can show this level and get these scores, nor am I guaranteed unlimited seasons at FEI on this particular horse. I'm not showing my young horse because of finances and the virus. If I were in an area with more cases, I'd probably think again about my decision.

    I have been to 1 show so far, just a 1 day truck in, but it was very quiet, every one was masked except while riding. In our area, at least, shows are not allowing spectators--not even owners. We are allowed a coach (signed on entry form) and a groom, and at some of the shows, the grooms even have to sign a release and wear a wrist band to be on property. At the show I attended, the only coaches I saw were there riding anyway. They arranged ride times by trailer group as much as they could, and it was a very quick in and out. The shows with stabling are leaving empty stalls between groups to allow for easier distancing.

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  • Mersidoats
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    I’m not showing because I have no need to. My one is still green and the other is in between levels. So we’ll just keep training.

    A friend of mine is desperate for a few more shows. She’s leasing a GP horse to try and finish her gold medal. It’s down to the wire and very stressful. First world problems, but she’s not made of money and getting this horse onto the property was a small miracle. This journey has been 30 years in the making, and this may be her last shot. For her sake, I hope the shows In the area still happen, and people follow the rules.

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  • enjoytheride
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    Originally posted by atlatl View Post

    My original posts specifically asks that we NOT debate the risk assessment of others and pretty much everyone else has done so; until this post.

    Some people are just looking for an argument.

    I gave you my rationale for why I feel it's fine to show if you feel comfortable showing. I don't care if you don't want to show, but I do care when your OP starts off by judging everyone who is.

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  • NewYork_Marx
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    Originally posted by atlatl View Post

    My original posts specifically asks that we NOT debate the risk assessment of others and pretty much everyone else has done so; until this post.

    Some people are just looking for an argument.

    Your OP was very bias towards not showing and it's clear what you think of those that are showing, so I'm not sure what you want to talk about here.

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  • atlatl
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    Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
    It's hard to start a discussion when the first post accuses people who are showing of making bad choices.

    I'm an essential employee. People that stayed home have no idea how busy it is out in the world. My store is now business as usual.

    Right now I can work, I can shop, I can go to restaurants, I can play golf, children are
    going back to school with no precautions in August, but you're telling me it's unsafe to horse show?

    If my area has an outbreak and sports are shut down again than so be it. Until then I don't see how horse showing is less safe than those other things.
    My original posts specifically asks that we NOT debate the risk assessment of others and pretty much everyone else has done so; until this post.

    Some people are just looking for an argument.

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  • MsM
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    I am not much into horse showing regardless, so that affects my views. While my area is currently doing well now, the sudden spikes elsewhere following reopenings has me more cautious.

    For me, I would consider a local schooling show where everyone is local and there is no stabling and they have good protocols. Recognized shows that I could travel to (no stabling) would be a bit more risky since they would bring in people from distant areas, but if I could trailer in and keep my social distance, I might do that if I had a competitive goal that it would address. A big show with stabling and staying at hotels etc would be too much risk for me right now for a very nonessential activity.

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  • enjoytheride
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    It's hard to start a discussion when the first post accuses people who are showing of making bad choices.

    I'm an essential employee. People that stayed home have no idea how busy it is out in the world. My store is now business as usual.

    Right now I can work, I can shop, I can go to restaurants, I can play golf, children are
    going back to school with no precautions in August, but you're telling me it's unsafe to horse show?

    If my area has an outbreak and sports are shut down again than so be it. Until then I don't see how horse showing is less safe than those other things.

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  • Hawks Nest
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    I'm in New England which seems to be doing ok for now. I was not planning on showing much, however I am actually entered in a show in VT at the end of July. GMHA is taking it all very seriously, VT is taking it all very seriously, and I am trucking in for each day of the show even though normally I would stable there. Yes, it'll mean more driving for me, but no hotel, no stabling with people who may or may not be following guidelines, and no prolonged time on the show grounds.

    Now, I do acknowledge that volunteers and officials are putting themselves at risk and I seriously hope that my fellow competitors also keep that in mind so as to do our best to keep them healthy and safe.

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  • trubandloki
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    Originally posted by AMWookey View Post
    I think when discussing this, you very much so need to look at the region you are in.
    Ding Ding Ding - and we have a winner.

    The post above painting all of the US with one broad brush is part of why this is so frustrating.


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  • AMWookey
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    I think when discussing this, you very much so need to look at the region you are in.

    I worried about my mom and sister in law constantly when this started. But I don't worry that they are going through their normal life anymore. Why? Because they live in Nova Scotia. I have more cases in the county i live in, in NC, then they have in the entire province. They are going days and even weeks sometimes without a new case, and had zero cases in the town they live in. Even with all of this, they are still wearing masks when they go out, and maintaining social distance, and it is working. So would I show there? Absolutely. Would I show in Ontario? Yup. I am watching the big shows and the steps they are taking, and with the numbers in these areas, I would be fine with it.

    Am I going to show here? Maybe eventually, but not now.

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  • xQHDQ
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    I went to a recognized show as a spectator/groom and didn't feel unsafe. BUT... there were way less people than a pre-COVID show; mask and social distancing were in effect, and everyone showing was relatively local. The last point is important because in our area, cases are going down.

    I would feel more nervous if there were lots of people, if I was in an area where cases were rising, or if a lot of people were coming from all over.

    I can't see any national championships being safe. Regionals also seem risky.

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  • TMares
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    People just want things to feel normal after months of abnormal. It's that simple.

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  • ThreeFigs
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    There's no point in showing around here unless you just want the the experience for yourself and your horse. Most of our "big" (USEF/USDF) shows have been cancelled anyway. It's OK. I've got a lot to work on while I wait for Covid to pass. Besides, I'm getting older, losing my ambition and don't feel like driving too far for a show. The closer, the better!

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  • TMares
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    Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
    In my region of Canada we flattened the curve nicely and are in stage 3 of re opening. I would not hesitate to go to a small dressage show that was enforcing protocol.

    But honestly what I'm seeing in the USA is terrifying. It seems like the default decision is to run a big experiment and see what happens if you just let the virus rip through your communities and see how many people die off or are permanently disabled. From a scientific point of view it's fascinating because no other developed country with resources is taking this approach. I am watching with interest.

    I would however be terrified if I was in most parts of the USA now because Covid is spreading unchecked like normal flu season except it is way more contagious and dangerous than the flu. And like the flu and oxycontin, Covid 19 will make its way into rural back waters soon enough.

    I agree that horses and outdoors are low transmission environments but if you are somewhere like Houston where 25% of people are testing positive, that's crazy risky. I don't think there is any other developed country in the world with infection rates that high. And if you mix high infection rates with a scorn for hygiene protocol, that's making things worse.

    It has sometimes occured to me that a certain chunk of the USA has a death wish.


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    we just enjoy our..."freedoms"

    a recent article on Forbes tracked CC data. Areas where Dine-In restaurant charges surged, so did COVID. Areas where take-out, delivery, and grocery charges outpaced dine-in, didn't see a surge.

    that's a fact.

    so you could go show your horses (I HATE THE PHRASE "HORSE SHOW") and be relatively safe. OR, you could go show your horses and hang out in the hotel lobby with 20 people for 2 hours or go eat dinner AT a restaurant and be very much at risk.

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  • CHT
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    I was very surprised to read that Arabian Youth Nationals in the US has record number of entrants, in particular in dressage. This is people coming from all over the US to attend. Meanwhile, where I live in Canada, there are a few "Schooling Days" being held for over fences, but I haven't seen any dressage shows scheduled before September. I think there is an event coming up too, but it is being held as one day events. not recognized, held with two or so levels per day to limit the number of horses needing to be on the property (and people). I think the biggest hurdle here for dressage shows, is the EC rules/restrictions for scribes. The endless rain isn't helping either though... I do miss showing: it inspires me with new ideas when coaching, and goals when riding, but I also don't think it would be its usual fun with all the restrictions. We are doing online showing.

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  • NewYork_Marx
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    Originally posted by atlatl View Post
    Apart from the recent research about possible airborne spread; my primary concern is other people. As I mentioned in the OP, my observation of many horse people in my area is that they are not masking or social distancing. At my last show in late Feb / early March, one trainer with multiple horses was railing about how the CA governor was overreacting at that time. I have little to no confidence in the regulars at the shows I typically attend following the rules. That and the bathroom situation :-)
    yeah. I wouldn't go to those shows. Eeek.....

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  • Libby2563
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    I do think there’s a big difference between trailering in for the day alone (which is how I show 95% of the time) and stabling overnight in big groups. My horse is rehabbing but at this point I would feel comfortable with the former. I would probably pee in my trailer though! My state is doing okay so I wouldn’t feel too selfish risking hospitalization by jumping solid jumps. I agree with others that outdoor horse shows seem relatively low-risk for disease transmission, especially if (big if) people are being considerate.

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