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  • Maude
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    Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

    Me going "is that keen?"
    Ha! No, 15'2 TBx(QH). No papers whose dam came through the New Holland sale. She was from out west somewhere. I purchased this horse when she was 3 1/2.

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  • farriers wife
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    My husband got me an older Thoroughbred mare that had ran a bunch of times, war horse. When I had gotten her nobody had ridden her in a few years. Well I got on and apparently she had also been someone's nice Dressage mount because she offered to show me all the upper level movements. We were so surprised. Now she gives my teenager lessons and sometimes I pop on her for fun. Did she compete at Grand Prix? I have no idea, but she knows all the movements. She was a rescue and is now a loved family member.

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  • ladyj79
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    Originally posted by Maude View Post
    $3,500.00
    Me going "is that keen?"

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  • Maude
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    $3,500.00
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  • Kimberly Loushin
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    I love reading about all of your longshot horses. If any of you would be willing to share your stories for a possible story on the Chronicle's website, please shoot me an email at kloushin@coth.com

    Thanks!
    Kimberly

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  • the sandiest shoes
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    Agreed that it can certainly be done. I think, if you haven't shown PSG before, you might have an easier time finding an older schoolmaster for that price to take you there. It's a gamble on how long they'll be sound for, and they might be intermittently sound or need some investment in upkeep, but a horse that's done it before is more of a sure thing IMO than a young one untested. Beyond the body, not every horse has the brain to ride PSG over 60%.

    It takes some looking and networking, but there are folks looking to sell older horses to really great forever homes and enough people would rather find an excellent home than try to make money on these older horses. Of course, then you'd have to be willing/able to retire the horse yourself when the time came.

    Best luck!!

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  • Mondo
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    I found my current horse in a cowboy's pasture doing western pleasure and natural horsemanship. I paid $3k for this sound fancy imported Westfalen gelding. I got him home and discovered through trial and error that he schools all the GP. I don't know how he ended up where I found him. I don't know who trained him. I haven't been able to find out. But once this stupid lockdown is over, I'll be showing him for sure! There are diamonds in the rough, you just have to keep looking.

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  • Chestnut_Mare
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    Originally posted by Sancudo View Post

    Sure! Here are some pics from his show last month! I’ve had him 4 years, since he was 16, brought him from 3rd level with difficult changes to showing PSG and schooling I-1 with solid passage and half steps. We lost two of those years to rehab a hock fracture and ligament tear, and my only hope was he’d come back trail sound, as he’s a bombproof guy on the trails (and anywhere, really). He feels much better now at 20 than he did at 16! We take it day by day. Today he was struggling with some pirouette work so we jumped some cross rails instead I figure at his age he deserves to mix it up. Last week we did a half day mountain trail ride!
    This is so inspirational!!

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  • Sancudo
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    Originally posted by Annie Burton View Post

    Please do a separate post about him, with photos. Please. I believe in older horses
    Sure! Here are some pics from his show last month! I’ve had him 4 years, since he was 16, brought him from 3rd level with difficult changes to showing PSG and schooling I-1 with solid passage and half steps. We lost two of those years to rehab a hock fracture and ligament tear, and my only hope was he’d come back trail sound, as he’s a bombproof guy on the trails (and anywhere, really). He feels much better now at 20 than he did at 16! We take it day by day. Today he was struggling with some pirouette work so we jumped some cross rails instead I figure at his age he deserves to mix it up. Last week we did a half day mountain trail ride!

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  • Ambitious Kate
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    Free oldenburg, he won't go to third with hock changes, but he got his trainer her bronze. Now with a new lessor, spent their first three shows this summer getting 70's at first level, and mid 60's at second, and she's working on her bronze.

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  • Annie Burton
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    Originally posted by Sancudo View Post
    My $1 old man won his PSG debut at age 20 this month!
    Please do a separate post about him, with photos. Please. I believe in older horses

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  • Chestnut_Mare
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    Originally posted by elizabeth Callahan View Post
    Bought a 3 year old $600 OTTB. Multiple wins at 4th, high scores of shows in the mid 70”s and PSG In the 60’s.
    Wow! That's wonderful! You must have a very good eye. I am a personal fan of TB/TB crosses and hope that my next one can be at lease 1/4 TB.

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  • elizabeth Callahan
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    Bought a 3 year old $600 OTTB. Multiple wins at 4th, high scores of shows in the mid 70”s and PSG In the 60’s.

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  • rothmpp
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    Everyone who has said most ammies need a good mind, decent conformation, clean gaits (particularly in the walk - you give a lot of points away if your walk is not good) and $30k worth of training way more than you need $30k worth of horse is dead on.

    Then toss in the desire of the rider to put the hours in to get there. There was a girl in my barn who was starting out with a non-purpose bred horse at the same time I was. We both qualified for regionals at the same time. I placed, she didn't. I inadvertently heard her whining to our trainer after the class. Trainer flat out told her - among other things, "she works harder than anyone else in the barn. She rides every day - hot, cold, raining, snowing. Yeah, she'd like to go straight to the bar after work, but she doesn't. It's fine that you do other things, but you can't compare the time she puts in to the time you put in."

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  • kashmere
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    There are lots of reasons horses can be cheap I have a freebie right now who I am pretty sure is a total superstar/diamond in the rough underneath the many layers of... stuff we're working through. He's a well bred, very good looking guy who's just... seen some stuff. So that's one route to go! (Results very much pending! )Assuming he remains sound (ha, knock on every piece of wood available!!) I suspect he will not be the barrier to reaching the upper levels so much as yours truly.

    I feel like everyone else here is pretty well bang on. Dressage is good for horses - it's physical and athletic development that, when done appropriately for the horse, can really help even plain-jane types move to the best of their ability, and develop musculature and fitness that can overcome less than breathtaking confirmation. Obviously that might not apply to a horse that has major physical defects and/or soundness issues, but 4 working legs and 3 clean gaits? You can do a lot with that!

    Is the Heinz 57 / little QH / Morgan / OTTB / insert your accessible horse of choice here likely to upstage the purpose bred Donnerhall get when it comes to gaits? No, and likely it'll have to work harder at some things - maybe extensions, maybe the "sit" of collected work, maybe the coordination of a clean change - but it's a 100% level playing field when it comes to things like accuracy and obedience.

    The barn where I board is a dressage-specific training barn. Very little focus on competition, but big emphasis on training and development and progress nonetheless. Non purpose-bred horses outnumber the purpose-bred ones significantly: we have Morgans, TBs, a couple Friesians, QH and crosses, ISH, Canadians and crosses, Arab cross - etc. The breed does not correlate at all to the level of work they do - Morgans doing 3rd and 4th, CanadianX solid at 2nd (and not stopped by his own potential). We had a really cool QH who was super talented and could have kept on moving up. These horses are "limited" mostly by owner desire/skill/dedication (which sounds judgemental, but I just mean in the sense that there are lots of amateur riders who don't actually want to put the energy and time in that it would take to be able to progress with the horse above 1st or 2nd, and they are happy finessing their skills at that level, hacking out, etc.).

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  • Curly_Feather
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    Loving this thread. Totally agree that money spent on training is much more important than money spent on the horse.

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  • Jealoushe
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    Originally posted by Chestnut_Mare View Post
    I'm not in the market yet but will be in 3-5 years as my girl is doing great but is older. Have any of you spent in the $10k range and made it to PSG successfully? Was it an older schoolmaster or a greenie that you brought along yourself or with a trainer? Obviously professionals can bring a horse up the levels but I'm curious as an adult ammy riding 3rd with aspirations of more.
    Valegro was bought for $8500...

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  • eponacelt
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    Originally posted by DressageD1va View Post
    The real expense to get to FEI is the cost of training imho.
    but something that is sound a at least has 3 clear and balanced gaits which can be found at a reasonable price. The regularity and frequency of training will be the most important factor.
    This is true. And the work involved.

    If you start with good basic conformation and trainability in the horse, you can get to PSG. I got my Bronze and 3 out of 4 scores for my Silver on a $7K Welsh Cob/TB who had washed out of combined driving at the age of 10.

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  • belgianWBLuver
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    Originally posted by pluvinel View Post
    Very interesting list of horses....and their riders.

    Which just goes to prove what I believe was a COTH aphorism that went something like this......"Most people don't need a $30,000 horse....they need $30,000 worth of lessons."

    In my ~50 years of riding I definitely left that $$$ figure in the rear view mirror.
    I've been enjoying this thread also, Pluvinel. I'm on a little restful holiday so have time to catch up in COTH. And yes my 30k on lessons is well in the rear view! Don't know if I'll make PSG on this mare I have but the journey sure is fun.

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  • pluvinel
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    Very interesting list of horses....and their riders.

    Which just goes to prove what I believe was a COTH aphorism that went something like this......"Most people don't need a $30,000 horse....they need $30,000 worth of lessons."

    In my ~50 years of riding I definitely left that $$$ figure in the rear view mirror.

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