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    #81
    Law enforcement was anticipating this problem back in March https://www.facebook.com/slcpd/posts...2552?__tn__=-R

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      #82
      #behaveyourself.

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        #83
        Originally posted by FitzE View Post
        I've only been involved in one US criminal case as family (victim side). Defense drug it out for ages.

        Defendant was out on bail so it was a plus for them, but it was hell for us to have dates set and then postponement after postponement. Once I flew from Europe to be there only to have defense squirrel out at the last minute. (drunk driver killed family member; driver over 2X BAC; 6 PM, still light out; victim driving home from work; driver's SUV crossed centerline and killed victim in small car, head on).

        It eventually backfired on them as they wanted our ok for a last minute plea deal. And they had the face to ask for no jail time. Because we had been jerked around for over a year (there was no discovery, nothing tricky, BAC value had been in since Day 1, no contributory issues, police reconstructed the accident, no impairment of victim, defense wasn't even contesting anything, they were just delaying to keep driver out and free as long as possible) we said no. We didn't have final say, of course, but b/c we said no they didn't get it. They did plead guilty and we finally had our day in court at sentencing.

        No priors so they went with recommended minimum: 3 years. Killed him dead and driver got 3 years. Don't think all was served, either. Oh, and driver's license was not revoked until after the sentencing so they were driving around all that time, too. I'm a lawyer so I get that no premeditation is an important point and lowers the sentence but, wow. Killing someone and getting 3 years felt harsh from our POV.

        I'm not a criminal defense attorney and I'm not even litigation, and he has a good lawyer I'm sure. But I would definitely not drag things out unnecessarily (beyond what's reasonable for reviewing the materials from discovery) b/c it can really backfire on the defendant. Plus, it's just crappy for the victim.
        It always disgusted me that drunk drivers don’t go to jail for many years. It’s a deliberate act to drive drunk.

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          #84
          Weird duplicate post w/o the quote. Corrected below.
          Last edited by FitzE; Jun. 28, 2020, 07:43 PM.

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            #85
            skydy I love it!

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              #86
              Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
              If I was shooting to get my bronze, and did so in my first class, I would probably scratch the others too. It's hot, and everyone is just coming back, and there's still a global pandemic.

              I dont know why someone else scratching their own classes annoys some people.

              FWIW my rider would frequently skip qualifying rounds if he had already qualified for the weekend gp. It's really not crazy to save your horse from unnecessary exertions.
              It doesn't annoy me at all. It is simply curious. Most riders I know will use show ring time for experience as well as objective comments from judges. Different strokes for different folks.

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                #87
                Originally posted by eggbutt View Post

                It doesn't annoy me at all. It is simply curious. Most riders I know will use show ring time for experience as well as objective comments from judges. Different strokes for different folks.
                The pros frequently scratch when they get the scores they need, to save wear and tear on the horse. I almost never scratch, but that’s because if I’ve paid the entry fees, I want to compete in the class and not waste the fees. However, if you’re a woman of unlimited means, the calculation is different.

                Some people just want to criticize LK for any reason they can imagine. This is a really petty one.

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                  #88
                  Walk on by....

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Cowgirl View Post
                    The defendant's right to a speedy trial is statutory in most states and most state governors have tolled the right to a speedy trial in the face of the pandemic. Additionally, if the defendant is willing to waive the right to a speedy trial because, among other reasons, they want to have their witnesses in person and make sure they will show up, then the trial may be stayed. Additionally, the defendant has the right to a jury trial and if a state is on emergency orders or lockdown, they won't be empaneling juries. They will figure out how to social distance trials soon enough and provide safety for the witnesses, juries, parties and court officers, but it is not now. There are rights that are affected by the inability to safely hold these things in person and the lack of procedures to do so during a pandemic. I bet there are plenty of scholars who are busy trying to figure this out as the jails fill up.
                    There it is - the experts weigh in - thank you! The closest I ever came to this kind of knowledge was Civil Procedure and that was *cough* a long time ago! Thanks for walking through this kind of information. I can only imagine all the complexities of trying to run the court system now in light of the pandemic and the fact that it will be with us for the foreseeable future.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by Cowgirl View Post
                      The defendant's right to a speedy trial is statutory in most states and most state governors have tolled the right to a speedy trial in the face of the pandemic. Additionally, if the defendant is willing to waive the right to a speedy trial because, among other reasons, they want to have their witnesses in person and make sure they will show up, then the trial may be stayed. Additionally, the defendant has the right to a jury trial and if a state is on emergency orders or lockdown, they won't be empaneling juries. They will figure out how to social distance trials soon enough and provide safety for the witnesses, juries, parties and court officers, but it is not now. There are rights that are affected by the inability to safely hold these things in person and the lack of procedures to do so during a pandemic. I bet there are plenty of scholars who are busy trying to figure this out as the jails fill up.
                      The right to a speedy trial is in the Bill of Rights. States may have their own interpretations as to what constitutes “speedy”, but the right itself is in the Constitution.

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                        #91
                        Cowgirl : I think most of us understood that you, of course, are well-versed re: the 6th Amendment right to speedy trial and were correctly noting that that right is protected and put into practice through state rule or statute that provides the specifics for each state. And also that most (all?) states have tolled the Speedy Trial Act in response to the virus crisis.

                        Again, thanks for your answer and input. These threads are most valuable when people share their professional expertise and experience.

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                          #92
                          Cowgirl thanks for the detailed explanation.

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                            #93
                            Originally posted by eggbutt View Post
                            Off topic but relevant: Lauren finally, legitimately achieved her final Bronze Medal score this weekend. Good for her. She rode one of four classes entered and scratched the remaining 3 classes after her first ride. I understand this is standard behavior for her. Interesting.
                            Oh, mylanta. You are SO obsessed with this woman.

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                              #94
                              Originally posted by Annandale View Post

                              Oh, mylanta. You are SO obsessed with this woman.
                              She may be but I gotta admit, it makes for good 'wake up, drink my shake, and convince myself to get up n at em for the day!' I'm bored and petty... don't judge me too hard! Lolol.

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                                #95
                                I personally am glad to hear that LK finished her bronze.
                                That is exciting news for anyone who does it.

                                ladyj79 You make some very valid points about scratching that I had not really thought of. Coming from limited means so my ability to show is minimal, once I have paid to be there and my horse is sound and happy I never considered scratching. (Do not read that as limited money means I am willing to ride my horse into the ground, it does not say that at all.) This is a great example of different worlds mean different ways of doing things and now that it is spelled out it makes total sense, but not something that comes to mind instantly having not ever been there done that.

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                                  #96
                                  ladyj79 and trubandloki both have good points. I also wondee about LKs stamina and lungs though. Maybe it is still alot for her especially with the weather and the desert storms that have made their way over here to the US? This weekend was beyond hazy and my MIL was having issues breathing because of the lack of decent air quality.

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                                    #97
                                    Originally posted by carman_liz View Post
                                    ladyj79 and trubandloki both have good points. I also wondee about LKs stamina and lungs though. Maybe it is still alot for her especially with the weather and the desert storms that have made their way over here to the US? This weekend was beyond hazy and my MIL was having issues breathing because of the lack of decent air quality.
                                    All of that may be true, but it is a normal occurance for her to enter and scratch multiple classes long before any of this happened.

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                                      #98
                                      Originally posted by tryintogethere View Post

                                      All of that may be true, but it is a normal occurance for her to enter and scratch multiple classes long before any of this happened.
                                      Who cares?

                                      it is not your money, and it is not an unusual practice.
                                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                                        #99
                                        Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                                        Who cares?

                                        it is not your money, and it is not an unusual practice.
                                        Yes it is for unusual for dressage riders. As I mentioned earlier, most want the ring time and objective comments from judges and the response was, but Pros do it all the time. No, they don't and btw, LK certainly isn't a Pro.

                                        She entered a 3rd level class on Sunday that she scratched. SHE had mentioned she was heading for her Silver Medal in earlier threads. I found it interesting that she didn't pursue what could have been an easy score toward her silver. LK has always talked big goals but rarely seems to actually follow through. My opinion only.

                                        It is rumored she started talking crap about a braider at the show. The same braider who has an active warrant for her arrest for harassment. Supposedly, LK refuses to answer the door for the Sheriff Deputies to serve her where she lives now. No one is above the law as we all know.

                                        As I said earlier, I am thrilled she finally has her Bronze Medal.

                                        EDIT: Thank you to dotneko for pointing out my error in the Silver Medal levels. It's been a while since I had to know this stuff by heart!
                                        Last edited by eggbutt; Jun. 29, 2020, 02:26 PM.

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                                          Originally posted by eggbutt View Post

                                          Yes it is for unusual for dressage riders. As I mentioned earlier, most want the ring time and objective comments from judges and the response was, but Pros do it all the time. No, they don't and btw, LK certainly isn't a Pro.

                                          She entered a 3rd level class on Sunday that she scratched. SHE had mentioned she was heading for her Silver Medal in earlier threads. I found it interesting that she didn't pursue what could have been an easy score toward her silver. LK has always talked big goals but rarely seems to actually follow through. My opinion only.

                                          It is rumored she started talking crap about a braider at the show. The same braider who has an active warrant for her arrest for harassment. Supposedly, LK refuses to answer the door for the Sheriff Deputies to serve her where she lives now. No one is above the law as we all know.

                                          As I said earlier, I am thrilled she finally has her Bronze Medal.
                                          ok seriously? You need a new hobby. Rumors about her talking crap about a braider? But didn't you claim you had no connection to her at all...yet every post about her you are here bashing her and spreading so called rumors. I don't get what the point is. People bash braiders all the time right here on CoTH. This is just garbage hear say trouble making if you have no facts to back that claim up. So either admit you have connections or admit you're spreading garbage.

                                          And YES, people do scratch at dressage shows ALL THE TIME. My FEI coach routinely suggests if you have two good tests to scratch the third to save it for another day. It is very very common so try harder to find something to whine about.

                                          We get it, you hate her. You're allowed to. But I seriously worry for your mental health that you focus on another person so intently even after all this time. That is not good for your well being.
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