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Bob McDonald Banned from USEF through Safe Sport

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    Originally posted by Mardi View Post

    Where did you see it ?
    Netflix

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      I see we are still on politics despite having an entire forum dedicated to it.

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        Please keep the political debate in the forum so graciously provided for that purpose and get this thread back to the horse-related topic.

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          Can still post, that's a good sign!

          Here is a biography of Debbie McDonald that summarizes her early history with Bob. I don't know when it is dated, but for now it still has some information without sidetracking by the Bob drama.
          https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/wh...donald-debbie/

          It's a bit eye-opening for those of us who did not know Debbie's life history. I'm sure there is far more to know than these two sentences, but still. It explained later that when Debbie was 14, Bob's daughter was 4 years old, to kind of benchmark things.

          Debbie finished High School and became Bob’s assistant trainer. Bob’s wife left, and Debbie became the new Mrs McDonald.
          It's clear from this write-up that Bob was Debbie's gateway to some very nice horses, just as she was finding her career direction.

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            Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post
            Can still post, that's a good sign!

            Here is a biography of Debbie McDonald that summarizes her early history with Bob. I don't know when it is dated, but for now it still has some information without sidetracking by the Bob drama.
            https://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/wh...donald-debbie/

            It's a bit eye-opening for those of us who did not know Debbie's life history. I'm sure there is far more to know than these two sentences, but still. It explained later that when Debbie was 14, Bob's daughter was 4 years old, to kind of benchmark things.



            It's clear from this write-up that Bob was Debbie's gateway to some very nice horses, just as she was finding her career direction.
            That's pretty disturbing. And sad.
            Let me apologize in advance.

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              Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

              That's pretty disturbing. And sad.
              I don't think it disturbing at all. People leave spouses for someone else all the time. If Debbie had finished high school, she was probably 18, or close to it. They've been together almost 50 years. There's nothing sad about that, in itself.
              "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post

                I don't think it disturbing at all. People leave spouses for someone else all the time. If Debbie had finished high school, she was probably 18, or close to it. They've been together almost 50 years. There's nothing sad about that, in itself.
                An adult man with a family meets a 14 year old whose own family is struggling and father is ill.

                He grooms her. Hard. He provides the gateway to her drug of choice.

                She graduates from high school, and his wife leaves and that's history.

                Yep, it lasted a long time, because he groomed a child to see him as her savior and her doorway to opportunity.

                It's really not ok because it lasted a long time.

                You don't have to be disturbed by it, but I do think you should at least acknowledge he groomed a child to be his mate.
                Let me apologize in advance.

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                  Is there some kind of proof that he "groomed" her, or are you taking what you've read and/or heard about child abuse and applying to this situation? Not every relationship between an adult and a minor is nefarious. Many are, and it's never all right to groom a child for abuse, but I'm not convinced that this relationship fell into that category. Isn't it possible that as Debbie grew up and became emotionally mature, her relationship with Bob matured as well? That they actually fell in love? I don't know because I wasn't there and don't know the facts. But I think some are way too quick to jump to the worst conclusions.
                  "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                    Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                    Is there some kind of proof that he "groomed" her, or are you taking what you've read and/or heard about child abuse and applying to this situation? Not every relationship between an adult and a minor is nefarious. Many are, and it's never all right to groom a child for abuse, but I'm not convinced that this relationship fell into that category. Isn't it possible that as Debbie grew up and became emotionally mature, her relationship with Bob matured as well? That they actually fell in love? I don't know because I wasn't there and don't know the facts. But I think some are way too quick to jump to the worst conclusions.
                    Bolding for emphasis... sexual relationships between minors and adults are ALWAYS nefarious... just like how not all relationships in office environments are inappropriate. Until there's a power difference. People are rightfully concerned about the power difference between Debbie and her husband at the time of their marriage. I don't think anyone is saying that it's impossible they grew to enjoy each other's company over the years.

                    An 18 year old and an adult man have VERY different life experiences at that point. It's not a compatible partnership. People get married for reasons outside of love/long term stability all the time, the difference here is that one person is virtually a child.

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                      Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                      An adult man with a family meets a 14 year old whose own family is struggling and father is ill.

                      He grooms her. Hard. He provides the gateway to her drug of choice.

                      She graduates from high school, and his wife leaves and that's history.

                      Yep, it lasted a long time, because he groomed a child to see him as her savior and her doorway to opportunity.

                      It's really not ok because it lasted a long time.

                      You don't have to be disturbed by it, but I do think you should at least acknowledge he groomed a child to be his mate.
                      That may be your opinion, but just a heads up that without any actual proof of your claims, sharing that opinion amounts to libel and defamation.

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                        Isn't this scenario very similar to what happened to Celine Dion and her late husband? She was taken into his fold as a young teen.
                        No matter the outcome it does smell of an adult manipulating a child.
                        "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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                          Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post

                          That may be your opinion, but just a heads up that without any actual proof of your claims, sharing that opinion amounts to libel and defamation.
                          I dont think that that is legally correct, but if it helps, in my opinion Robert McDonald, who has been banned from all sports governed by an ngb, both as a participant and a coach for sexual misconduct involving minors under 14, groomed his now wife, debbie mcdonald, when she was a vulnerable child.

                          This is the very definition of grooming, and on its face identical to the relationship between jimmy Williams and Susan Hutchison.
                          Let me apologize in advance.

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                            Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                            An adult man with a family meets a 14 year old whose own family is struggling and father is ill.

                            He grooms her. Hard. He provides the gateway to her drug of choice.

                            She graduates from high school, and his wife leaves and that's history.

                            Yep, it lasted a long time, because he groomed a child to see him as her savior and her doorway to opportunity.

                            It's really not ok because it lasted a long time.

                            You don't have to be disturbed by it, but I do think you should at least acknowledge he groomed a child to be his mate.
                            reminds me of Celine Deon
                            Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                              Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                              I dont think that that is legally correct, but if it helps, in my opinion Robert McDonald, who has been banned from all sports governed by an ngb, both as a participant and a coach for sexual misconduct involving minors under 14, groomed his now wife, debbie mcdonald, when she was a vulnerable child.

                              This is the very definition of grooming, and on its face identical to the relationship between jimmy Williams and Susan Hutchison.
                              yeah and what Libel? Your post isnt going to effect his business. He did that to himself.
                              Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                                Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                                yeah and what Libel? Your post isnt going to effect his business. He did that to himself.
                                Also grooming isn't in and of itself a crime. But whatevs.
                                Let me apologize in advance.

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                                  Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                                  Is there some kind of proof that he "groomed" her, or are you taking what you've read and/or heard about child abuse and applying to this situation? Not every relationship between an adult and a minor is nefarious. Many are, and it's never all right to groom a child for abuse, but I'm not convinced that this relationship fell into that category. Isn't it possible that as Debbie grew up and became emotionally mature, her relationship with Bob matured as well? That they actually fell in love? I don't know because I wasn't there and don't know the facts. But I think some are way too quick to jump to the worst conclusions.
                                  Originally posted by blue_heron View Post

                                  Bolding for emphasis... sexual relationships between minors and adults are ALWAYS nefarious... just like how not all relationships in office environments are inappropriate. Until there's a power difference. People are rightfully concerned about the power difference between Debbie and her husband at the time of their marriage. I don't think anyone is saying that it's impossible they grew to enjoy each other's company over the years.

                                  An 18 year old and an adult man have VERY different life experiences at that point. It's not a compatible partnership. People get married for reasons outside of love/long term stability all the time, the difference here is that one person is virtually a child.
                                  1. You added "sexual," a word I did not use ​so your "bolding for emphasis" doesn't make any sense here.
                                  2. An 18 year old is an adult.
                                  3. For many, many couples, it is indeed a compatible partnership.
                                  4. You seem to be an expert on the McDonalds' marriage. How do you know so much about this, like that [at best] they came to enjoy each other's company? How are you so very sure they were not two adults (or one adult and one soon-to-be adult) who fell in love?

                                  5. I am not excusing any misbehavior, criminal or otherwise, that precipitated McDonald's being reported to SafeSport. But I'm fairly certain that on one here can testify to his relationship with Debbie 50 years ago. It's all conjecture, especially the claims of "grooming," until someone who was there and who is not guessing, supposing, alleging, speculating, opining, etc., says otherwise.

                                  "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                                    Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post


                                    1. You added "sexual," a word I did not use ​so your "bolding for emphasis" doesn't make any sense here.
                                    2. An 18 year old is an adult.
                                    3. For many, many couples, it is indeed a compatible partnership.
                                    4. You seem to be an expert on the McDonalds' marriage. How do you know so much about this, like that [at best] they came to enjoy each other's company? How are you so very sure they were not two adults (or one adult and one soon-to-be adult) who fell in love?

                                    5. I am not excusing any misbehavior, criminal or otherwise, that precipitated McDonald's being reported to SafeSport. But I'm fairly certain that on one here can testify to his relationship with Debbie 50 years ago. It's all conjecture, especially the claims of "grooming," until someone who was there and who is not guessing, supposing, alleging, speculating, opining, etc., says otherwise.
                                    So you're telling me the marital relationship between Debbie and her husband isn't sexual? I guess I wouldn't know, but...

                                    Yes, an 18 year old is a legal "adult," but in terms of world experience and judgement capabilities, "adult" is not always what it seems -- I say this as someone who is not MUCH older than 18. I don't feel much like an "Adult."

                                    The discussion of his relationship with Debbie is relevant because it is telling to how much this effects her career. She's an incredible resource regardless of how their relationship developed years ago.

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                                      Originally posted by blue_heron View Post

                                      So you're telling me the marital relationship between Debbie and her husband isn't sexual? I guess I wouldn't know, but...
                                      I'm sorry, but you are not making sense. They married in 1977. Debbie was 22 or 23, depending on when in 1977 they were married.
                                      "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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                                        Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
                                        I'm sorry, but you are not making sense. They married in 1977. Debbie was 22 or 23, depending on when in 1977 they were married.
                                        I think people are commenting on the article in the link. The way it reads is sketchy. That article makes it sound like when Debbie turned 18, his ex wife left and they got married. So if one knows nothing and reads that......

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                                          Facts are for suckers!
                                          "She is not fragile like a flower. She is fragile like a bomb."

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