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  • Spinoff: Olympics, Canada, and cost of qualifying

    Ok, so I read the Globe and Mail article in which Cindy Ishoy states she will not be trying to qualify for Beijing, namely because of the outrageously high costs and the conditions in Hong Kong. Here`s the link:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../sports/Sports

    SO! What do you guys think? Any comments on Canada`s Olympic selection process, vs the US, any truth to this article, or better ways to choose a team? Does this come back to the country`s geography, our lack of CDI`s, the lack of funding for athletes, or something else?

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    cost of qualifying

    I think the reservations about Hong Kong could be justified, but Ashley competes in Florida in the winter, doesn't she?

    Cindy is just a short distance from Chicago, I believe.

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    • #3
      So, with some, and perhaps more to come, dropouts, that does not make a Gold medal so special when the competition is diluted.
      To declare the qualifying standards so late is unfair to all and shows
      disarray in the organizers.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dorienna View Post
        Ok, so I read the Globe and Mail article in which Cindy Ishoy states she will not be trying to qualify for Beijing, namely because of the outrageously high costs and the conditions in Hong Kong. Here`s the link:
        http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../sports/Sports

        SO! What do you guys think? Any comments on Canada`s Olympic selection process, vs the US, any truth to this article, or better ways to choose a team? Does this come back to the country`s geography, our lack of CDI`s, the lack of funding for athletes, or something else?


        There IS "truth" to this article....I will let someone else (hopefully a canadian)open this can of worms before I open my mouth with a little more "detail"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by snoopy View Post
          There IS "truth" to this article....I will let someone else (hopefully a canadian)open this can of worms before I open my mouth with a little more "detail"
          I am Canadian. Consider this your can opener. Spill snoopman.

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          • #6
            Canadian Criteria

            It is clear from the article that the riders are concerned about the conditions and stress on their horses in Hong Kong.

            But I think what they are also saying is that they are also concerned about the stress that the Canadian criteria will put on their horses by requiring them to spend two months in Europe competing there just before the Olympic Games.

            Besides the stress on the horses, Cindy says that she cannot afford to spend that amount of time away from her family and business. She also seems to be saying that the riders must pay for all of this themselves, including the return of the horses from Europe to Canada after the games. I understand that horses are returned to their point-of-origin, and the Canadian criteria require the horses to be in and leave from Europe.

            If Dressage Canada is going to require them to spend so much time in Europe as part of the qualification criteria, should Dressage Canada fund the cost?

            Also, shouldn’t Dressage Canada set criteria that ensure the selection of the most qualified team by making it easy for the best riders to compete? It sounds like they have done the opposite. Strange.

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            • #7
              BachmanTurner Overdrive..Gimme Your Money Please lyrics:

              And he said, Boy, you'd better move real slow
              And gimme your money please.
              He said, Gimme your money please.
              Wasn't that strange
              Wasn't that strange indeed.

              Last edited by Fixerupper; Jan. 11, 2008, 11:34 PM.
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              • #8
                It is really unbelievably late Dressage Canada posted the qualifying criteria for the 2008 Olympics - November, 2007!

                The real cruncher is, that even if the rider competes at the required number of CDI's and achieves the scores as set out by Dressage Canada, Dressage Canada has the option whether to send the riders or not at the "last minute".

                "In addition, all Combinations will be evaluated on their performance at the major International events in Europe to reconfirm that each Combination demonstrates a sufficiently high standard of performance at an elite level of competition to be reasonably competitive at the 2008 OG (see section 2.1
                d.).Any Combination(s) may be withdrawn from entry at the 2008 OG if the DSC is not
                satisfied, in the exercise of their discretion, that the Combination(s) will be reasonably
                competitive at the 2008 OG. In exercising this discretion the DSC will only consider
                performance and results at the one or two major International events in Europe all
                Combinations must participate in . . . The three (3) rider/horse Combinations participating in the 2008 OG will be confirmed no later than 10 days before definite entries, and/or, 10 days before final quarantine, whichever comes first."
                Martha Haley - NeverSayNever Farm
                2009 KWN-NA Breeder of the Year/Silver Level Breeder
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                • #9
                  In other sports the COC will be announcing the athletes qualified to go and selected to go by end of May 2008.
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                  • #10
                    In other sports the COC will be announcing the athletes qualified to go and selected to go by end of May 2008. EC - I don't know.
                    Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

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                    • #11
                      I don't understand the whole having to qualify in europe to make the team. This is outrageous. Canada won't have a team if that is the case..how many are actually going to be able to leave their buisness's/commitments and foot the bill to go to europe for a good number of months before hand?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Donella View Post
                        I don't understand the whole having to qualify in europe to make the team. This is outrageous. Canada won't have a team if that is the case..how many are actually going to be able to leave their buisness's/commitments and foot the bill to go to europe for a good number of months before hand?
                        Exactly!!
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                        2009 KWN-NA Breeder of the Year/Silver Level Breeder
                        www.angelfire.com/ns2/our_horses/
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Donella View Post
                          I don't understand the whole having to qualify in europe to make the team. This is outrageous. Canada won't have a team if that is the case..how many are actually going to be able to leave their buisness's/commitments and foot the bill to go to europe for a good number of months before hand?

                          Yes and imagine if these two riders were STILL very determined to go but where making a stand by withdrawing there intent in order get the selection criteria changed. And imagine that these two riders or a least one of them was basically a shoe in for selection because of her outstanding results. Imagine fielding a team without one of these riders. Canada has two horse/rider combinations performing some very credible work...one is in europe, one is not. Cindy's horse is a solid team horse and an asset to the team. I cannot see a team without Ashley. That leaves Evi. JB's horse is not performing to standard. So if I were to hazzard a guess the team would be:

                          Ashley
                          Cindy
                          Evi

                          ...and two of them have "withdrawn" from selection.
                          There could be others to make up a team...but it would not be a competitive team at GP level.

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                          • #14
                            I see the "agenda" on this one. There are already 3 horses/riders in Europe. My guess:
                            Christy Boylen
                            Cheryl Meisener
                            Evi Strasser
                            Elaine Ward

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                            • #15
                              I gather the rationale for qualifying in Europe is that competing in those venues more closely resembles competing in the Olympic venue? Still seems rather onerous and unrealistic given that riders do not simply ride their horse for a living. Two of the three that Elatu mentions now reside in Europe. How is Evi able to make this work? She has a Canadian based business, does she not?

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                              • #16
                                But Evi has been competing in Europe this winter season, has she not?
                                I'm not trying to read into this selection process, but from the screws that the powers that be have put to the North American contenders, I don't see any other team member option available.
                                Elaine Ward

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                                • #17
                                  I found the list of the Dressage Canada 2007 Board of Directors. Apparently they would be the ones who were responsible for setting the criteria.

                                  Lisa Kostandoff
                                  Judith Pineault
                                  Elizabeth McMullen
                                  Cara Whitham
                                  Evi Strasser

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                                  • #18
                                    US criteria

                                    would appreciate it if someone would verify what I think is the US plan (which sounds similar to the Canadian one to me....)

                                    1. if you qualify for the trials, your horse goes to southern California. (quite a distance for any Florida horses!)

                                    2. if you win, you go to Europe for an extended period to compete

                                    3. quarantine in Aachen

                                    4. off to China (for 30 days ?? )

                                    5. back to Aachen

                                    6. back to the USA

                                    btw....anyone know who pays for your horse to compete in Europe? I'm hoping it's our NF, but don't know for sure.

                                    thanks.

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                                    • #19
                                      It would have made a lot more sense to hire judges, and have the team trials in Canada; even go to the point of having the same judges in a venue in Germany to appease the Euro-Canadian contingent. Then the highest 3 scores determining the team.
                                      A heck of a lot more feasible than expecting to show all over hells' half acre!.
                                      Elaine Ward

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Elatu View Post
                                        It would have made a lot more sense to hire judges, and have the team trials in Canada; even go to the point of having the same judges in a venue in Germany to appease the Euro-Canadian contingent. Then the highest 3 scores determining the team.
                                        A heck of a lot more feasible than expecting to show all over hells' half acre!.

                                        You would think something on these lines would make more sense....but the CEF has made some rather odd choices from the get go.

                                        I personally think it really boils down to money. The CEF does not have the money to send a team half way round the world only to receive a poor result. I know there is no medal chances but what they are doing now with this criteria is to make it impossible to even improve on their team rankings with horses that could have helped further the effort. What they will be left with are horses in europe who may scrape through the qualifications, go to HK and end up very close to the bottom of the heap....which in turn does nothing to increase funding from the COC.

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