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  • Swiss national coach and trainer resigns after ...This is bad for the EQ-sport)..

    YOUR THE FIRST TO KNOW !

    The Swiss national coach and trainer Jürgen Koschel resigns after the descission of Silvia Ikle (first) and the complete Swiss team to cancel their participation at the 2008 Olympics.

    WHO IS NEXT.


    Theo
    Last edited by freestyle2music; Jan. 9, 2008, 03:01 PM.

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    Originally posted by freestyle2music View Post
    YOUR THE FIRST TO KNOW !

    The Swiss national coach and trainer Jürgen Koschel resigns after the descission of Silvia Ikle (first) and the complete Swiss team to cancel their participation at the 2008 Olympics.
    Theo
    Will be interesting to hear his reasons. I'm thinking Hong Kong is just a disaster waiting to happen.

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    • #3
      Remember the flap everyone got into when Milton's owners decided not to send him to the ?? Olympics for the same reasons. The Brits were heartbroken.
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        Jürgen Koschel

        Rückritt von Jürgen Koschel 09.01.2008 17:27:46
        Jürgen Koschel, der Trainer der Schweizer Dressur-Equipe, ist mit sofortiger Wirkung zurückgetreten. Koschel kann sich mit dem Olympiaverzicht von Silvia Iklé nicht befreunden. «Der späte Verzicht von Frau Iklé, die den Schweizer Verband auf Grund fehlender reiterlicher Alternativen nun zu einer kompletten Absage für die Olympischen Spiele in Hongkong veranlasste, ist für mich als Nationaltrainer überraschend und nicht gänzlich nachzuvollziehen», erklärt Koschel in seinem Rücktrittsschreiben

        The very late cancellation of Sylvia Ikle, which led for the Swiss Governing Body to withdraw the whole team, and the fact that this withdrawel is based on wrong estimates is for me (JK) as the national trainer a descission I don't subscribe

        OSLT

        Theo

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          ???

          Clue me in... what's so bad about Hong Kong?

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            The problem is, it's perfectly legitimate to not go to these Olympics, mostly due to air quality, not to mention other issues...

            BUT... if dressage, or any of the Eq sports get cancelled altogether... I don't think we'll see them *back* in the Olympics.
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              Originally posted by pintopiaffe View Post
              The problem is, it's perfectly legitimate to not go to these Olympics, mostly due to air quality, not to mention other issues...

              BUT... if dressage, or any of the Eq sports get cancelled altogether... I don't think we'll see them *back* in the Olympics.
              EXACTLY

              And EQ-sports have allready been banned very far from the HOTSPOT of the OS, which means that the most wonderfull experience for the competitors (meeting all these top-collegues of other sports) is vanished.

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                Originally posted by rileyt View Post
                ???

                Clue me in... what's so bad about Hong Kong?
                The environment in general is pretty nasty. It's a beautiful city at night to be sure but in the day it's not really all that nice. Chinese people are very pleasant but it's a place where you have to be VERY careful no matter who you are.
                Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                  Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                  The environment in general is pretty nasty. It's a beautiful city at night to be sure but in the day it's not really all that nice. Chinese people are very pleasant but it's a place where you have to be VERY careful no matter who you are.
                  Huh??

                  Are we talking about the environment? Crime? Intestinal distress?


                  Its been about 10 years since I was there last, but I thought it was a great city both day and night!

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                    All the rulling EQ countries

                    Almost every EQ country in the world have send delegations to HongKong. There where many try-out competitions with hundreds of vets and professors controlling everything. The average outcome of all these studies was that the humans (riders) would suffer far more than the horses. Silvia Ikle was mainly talking about the fact that her horses don't travel easy, and the time they had to spend in quarantaine was to long. Furthermore she stated that jumping and eventing horses where much more used to this tossing and travelling around than dressage horses. Silvia Ikle has the full right to withdraw, and all the other riders have the same rights. But withdrawing the whole team ( possibly based on the fact that Silvia was the only medal candidate for Switzerland) is WRONG.

                    Theo

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                    • #11
                      Theo is right about Sylvia not wanting to travel with the horse. This is the same reason she didn't go to Las Vegas last year. She said in a recent interview in Bit magazine in Holland that her horse does not travel well on planes (the trip to Athens was not a good thing) and she was not very comfortable about HK in the first place.

                      She said that Salieri was her horse of a lifetime, and also her last competition horse. She does not have sponsors, she has devoted her life to the sport, and she does not want to put the horse in jeopardy. I had the good fortune of seeing the pair in Aachen in 2005 and thought they were just divine.

                      Shame that the whole Swiss team is out because of this. I do not know how Olympic qualifying rules work; if the Swiss pull out, will the first team on the Just Missed Qualifying List get a spot?

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                      • #12
                        I see virtual international dressage competitions in the future. For dressage it would be easy to do. With the improvements in technology there will be no reason the competitors, judges and spectators have to be in one place other than the excitement factor. That may be just too expensive in the future and too risky for the horses to fly them all over the world for competitions.

                        YOU READ IT HERE FIRST! :-)

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                          #13
                          But how about

                          But also Silvia's second (also a very good) horse doesn't like to travel !?

                          Again, she has the right to do what she wants to do, but used a very bad timing, not only for the Swiss team but also for the World of EQ-sports.

                          In her last interview on Dutch and German TV (some months ago) Silvia stated that she wanted to skip some WorldCup competitions because she wanted to be fully prepared for the Olympics.

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                            Again, she has the right to do what she wants to do, but used a very bad timing, not only for the Swiss team but also for the World of EQ-sports.
                            Kudos to her for putting the welfare of the horse(s) ahead of ego and individual glory.
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                              [QUOTE=freestyle2music;2925278]But also Silvia's second (also a very good) horse doesn't like to travel !?

                              She stated that he has respiratory problems. A hot humid climate would not lend itself to that horse competing well. Plus that horse would still need to qualify anyway.
                              "Reite dein Pferd vorwärts und richte es gerade.” Gustav Steinbrecht

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                                so what?

                                this bit of news was actually posted earlier today in Eurodressage...
                                anyways so what if Ikle does not want to go (in a very selfish and untimely manner by the way) and also pulls out her other horse, and then the Swiss decide to cancel the whole team, and Koschel resigns because he's pissed off with all of them?
                                It's terrible for the Swiss and the sport's image in a way, but trust me there's plenty of riders and NF's that are very happy to take the three extra spots from the Swiss team that will now be added to the individual slots which are based on the FEI rankings.
                                Now you might probably see a team from Austria or Spain going, so in the end the event will take place anyways, the same way it did in Atlanta, Australia, Greece, and so on. No matter where they Olympics are held (except Europe of course) there will always be some riders that have issues with shipping their horses to foreign countries.
                                This is not the end of the world, I'd rather have situations such as this over the doping scandals in cycling, the judging scandals in skating, etc....

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by pophorse View Post

                                  anyways so what if Ikle does not want to go (in a very selfish and untimely manner by the way)

                                  If putting her horses' welfare above the possibility of winning a prize is selfish, I like selfish.
                                  "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                  ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                  • #18
                                    Putting the welfare of her horse first is admirable - obviously. It's the timing that is thoughtless - for other nations preparing, the rest of her team, etc

                                    I'd put money on Aachen being the big event.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by fiona View Post
                                      I'd put money on Aachen being the big event.
                                      Fiona, maybe I'll make it there in 2009 again. I'll bring Aunt Esther!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by fiona View Post
                                        Putting the welfare of her horse first is admirable - obviously. It's the timing that is thoughtless - for other nations preparing, the rest of her team, etc
                                        Eight months out?
                                        Looks like a pretty long time to fill a scratch to me.
                                        Certainly the Swiss and other nations must have alternates/ backup plans in place in the event of horse and/or rider injury?
                                        "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                        ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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