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    Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post






    I have never once stated he “decided one nice afternoon the time had come.” I’ve repeatedly stated the exact opposite- as have you in your post here. Maybe he did decide to kill us on AN afternoon- but that decision was made far before THE afternoon of August 7th.
    No, you didn't state that - those were literally my words. And by "nice" I was making a reference to the weather.

    So your assertion is that Barisone decided to murder you in order to obtain one or more of your horses for his girlfriend to ride - notwithstanding the fact that once he had murdered you, your horses would never have been given to anyone connected to him to ride?

    And you believe that if you had left the property, he would have tried to locate you in order to murder you for the use of those same horses?
    "I swear it happened just like this" - Leonard Cohen

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      Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

      Please see post # 1245. Even if the entry had been completed (not clear that it was), one is allowed to register with FEI in a short window AFTER competing. It appears she never registered with FEI (no reason to, as she did not compete) so even if the entry process was completed (again, not clear that it was), the horse seems not to have been registered with FEI, hence would not be in the database.
      How do you have the time to cross-reference all of these posts? I suppose that could be a fun little data scraping problem: write a script to create a table of posts by post number, cross reference quotes and do some textual analysis to identify the different threads within the threads.

      The horse is registered with the FEI. He has no competition record.

      The record still stands - there is no record of her ever competing in or registering for a CDI - so barring the appearance of the emails (but her emails!) she did not compete in the CDI. No entry - no compete. I guess we could say "intentions matter" - she intended to compete in the CDI - but for all intents and purposes, she was not registered, and did not compete in the CDI, and has no FEI athlete profile.

      Gawd. I'm sorry I even brought this up.

      Why am I even responding? I have horses to ride, work to do, and GPA to maintain.

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        Originally posted by cutter99 View Post

        And just because these accusations are made does not make them true either. You seriously believe there was a huge plot to kill clients? Not only to kill them, but to kill them for the specific goal of taking ownership of their horses? Not to just kill one client, but multiple clients?

        Seriously?!?!?!
        I saw this show on Broadway a few years back. Maybe it was based on a true story and I didn’t realize it.

        https://www.broadway.com/shows/gentl...-murder/story/

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          Originally posted by MHM View Post

          I saw this show on Broadway a few years back. Maybe it was based on a true story and I didn’t realize it.

          https://www.broadway.com/shows/gentl...-murder/story/
          I prefer The Sopranos. Just about any episode!

          I wonder where MB was when Jimmy Hoffa disappeared.
          "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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            Originally posted by cutter99 View Post
            i wonder where MB was when Jimmy Hoffa disappeared.
            Probably still in Pony Club?

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              Originally posted by MHM View Post
              Probably still in Pony Club?
              Yes, but doesn’t the mob like to get them young and train them up right. That way you can plot and plan for years and years, and hide in plain sight as an Olympic level rider and trainer, and no one will be any the wiser. Just think of how many people MB had fooled.
              "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                Originally posted by Mersidoats View Post

                How do you have the time to cross-reference all of these posts? I suppose that could be a fun little data scraping problem: write a script to create a table of posts by post number, cross reference quotes and do some textual analysis to identify the different threads within the threads.

                The horse is registered with the FEI. He has no competition record.

                The record still stands - there is no record of her ever competing in or registering for a CDI - so barring the appearance of the emails (but her emails!) she did not compete in the CDI. No entry - no compete. I guess we could say "intentions matter" - she intended to compete in the CDI - but for all intents and purposes, she was not registered, and did not compete in the CDI, and has no FEI athlete profile.

                Gawd. I'm sorry I even brought this up.

                Why am I even responding? I have horses to ride, work to do, and GPA to maintain.
                Sorry, she was not registered with FEI, so it is not surprising to me that the show would not come up, even as a class she scratched, given that she is not registered with FEI (even if the horse was.)

                Obviously she did not compete in a CDI the week after she was shot! No issue there.

                Her claim, which various posters attacked as a lie, was that she was planning to ride a CDI PSG the next weekend.

                It is a lot easier and more time efficient to throw out a sloppy unsubstantiated allegation than to wrestle it down and figure out what parts of it are true.

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                  Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                  Sorry, she was not registered with FEI, so it is not surprising to me that the show would not come up, even as a class she scratched, given that she is not registered with FEI (even if the horse was.)

                  Obviously she did not compete in a CDI the week after she was shot! No issue there.

                  Her claim, which various posters attacked as a lie, was that she was planning to ride a CDI PSG the next weekend.

                  It is a lot easier and more time efficient to throw out a sloppy unsubstantiated allegation than to wrestle it down and figure out what parts of it are true.
                  She probably would have scratched anyway for one reason or another.

                  I notice you don't seem to "wrestle down LK's unsubstantiated allegations" so that's what we do and get bashed for doing so.....generally by you!

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                    I don't fully understand the scratching thing. I've scratched before, when the horse came up lame, had an allergy attack of sorts, or otherwise found a way to maim him or herself... But the scratches weren't so frequent. I do highly regard horse welfare, so it's not that. I don't know, if I sign up, I show up, if not it's a (horse) health reason.

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                      Originally posted by cutter99 View Post

                      I prefer The Sopranos. Just about any episode!

                      I wonder where MB was when Jimmy Hoffa disappeared.
                      Didn't someone (LK?) make a reference to Hawthorne Hill being a body farm full of graves of people he'd murdered over the years. Curiousier and curiouser!!!

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                        Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

                        She probably would have scratched anyway for one reason or another.

                        I notice you don't seem to "wrestle down LK's unsubstantiated allegations" so that's what we do and get bashed for doing so.....generally by you!
                        If she had entered, she would have had to scratch BECAUSE SHE WAS IN THE ICU! No smilie faces.

                        I have no problem whatsoever with you “wrestling down LK’s unsubstantiated allegations.” I don’t think I have bashed you for doing so.

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                          Originally posted by cutter99 View Post

                          And just because these accusations are made does not make them true either. You seriously believe there was a huge plot to kill clients? Not only to kill them, but to kill them for the specific goal of taking ownership of their horses? Not to just kill one client, but multiple clients?

                          Seriously?!?!?!
                          That is not what I said at all. If you want to have a discussion and quote me at least read for comprehension.

                          I think MB purposefully took matters into his own hands with the aim to kill, yes. The reasoning, is yet to be seen. Not enough facts

                          My point was, nothing is crazy when it comes to murder. You can not say "this is crazy, this would never happen" when murder or attempted murder is involved. You just can not, the situations are always, out of this world. Just because it is hard to believe does not mean it can not be true.
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                            Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                            I think MB purposefully took matters into his own hands with the aim to kill, yes. The reasoning, is yet to be seen. Not enough facts

                            My point was, nothing is crazy when it comes to murder. You can not say "this is crazy, this would never happen" when murder or attempted murder is involved. You just can not, the situations are always, out of this world. Just because it is hard to believe does not mean it can not be true.
                            That’s the truth! People have murdered for far less rational reasons for that. No reason is too crazy for anyone who is willing to kill someone.

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                              Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                              That is not what I said at all. If you want to have a discussion and quote me at least read for comprehension.

                              I think MB purposefully took matters into his own hands with the aim to kill, yes. The reasoning, is yet to be seen. Not enough facts

                              My point was, nothing is crazy when it comes to murder. You can not say "this is crazy, this would never happen" when murder or attempted murder is involved. You just can not, the situations are always, out of this world. Just because it is hard to believe does not mean it can not be true.
                              You talk about me reading for comprehension. Perhaps you should do the same. Where did I ever say it would NEVER happen? But the likelihood of it happening is not as common as you would like us to believe.

                              And while you have been the victim of a violent attack, you use that as the grounds to judge others. Not everyone is out to get someone. Not everyone is evil. Not everyone is out to harm others. It is sad that someone hurt you, but that does not color all bad.
                              "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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                                I used to be outraged at LK's remarks. Now, I am just sad at her obvious emotional problems, which appear to predate the shooting but undoubtedly have been exacerbated. Really, we all ought to just quit reading and posting.

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                                  We should, FatDinah, but it's like driving past a car wreck. Hard not to peek.

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                                    Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                    Sorry, she was not registered with FEI, so it is not surprising to me that the show would not come up, even as a class she scratched, given that she is not registered with FEI (even if the horse was.)

                                    Obviously she did not compete in a CDI the week after she was shot! No issue there.

                                    Her claim, which various posters attacked as a lie, was that she was planning to ride a CDI PSG the next weekend.

                                    It is a lot easier and more time efficient to throw out a sloppy unsubstantiated allegation than to wrestle it down and figure out what parts of it are true.
                                    Look. She said multiple times that she was going to compete at the CDI. Having seen the ride times for that show, I knew that she was not in the class, even as a scratch or w/d. I saw her scratches in the National PSG and the other USDF classes.

                                    So I called BS on her CDI claims because the record didn’t back her up. Apparently there are “emails” out there that we don’t get to see. Okay, cool. So I’m supposed to just take her claim at face value that there are emails out there about her entering the CDI? But I don’t get to see the emails? Fine. So, who am I going to believe? The ride times posted at the show by the show secretary. She may have intended to ride in the CDI or wanted to, or was told she would...but but if intentions were horses, we’d all have much bigger feed bills.

                                    Ride times say no CDI. There is no verifiable paper trail pointing to her being in the CDI. Unsubstantiated allegations my a**.

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                                      Originally posted by Mersidoats View Post
                                      Look. She said multiple times that she was going to compete at the CDI. Having seen the ride times for that show, I knew that she was not in the class, even as a scratch or w/d. I saw her scratches in the National PSG and the other USDF classes.

                                      So I called BS on her CDI claims because the record didn’t back her up. Apparently there are “emails” out there that we don’t get to see. Okay, cool. So I’m supposed to just take her claim at face value that there are emails out there about her entering the CDI? But I don’t get to see the emails? Fine. So, who am I going to believe? The ride times posted at the show by the show secretary. She may have intended to ride in the CDI or wanted to, or was told she would...but but if intentions were horses, we’d all have much bigger feed bills.

                                      Ride times say no CDI. There is no verifiable paper trail pointing to her being in the CDI. Unsubstantiated allegations my a**.
                                      But, but, but, we're not supposed to question what LK and YD state. Only they can argue with us and demand proof of allegations. Ridiculous.

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                                        Originally posted by Mersidoats View Post
                                        Look. She said multiple times that she was going to compete at the CDI. Having seen the ride times for that show, I knew that she was not in the class, even as a scratch or w/d. I saw her scratches in the National PSG and the other USDF classes.

                                        So I called BS on her CDI claims because the record didn’t back her up. Apparently there are “emails” out there that we don’t get to see. Okay, cool. So I’m supposed to just take her claim at face value that there are emails out there about her entering the CDI? But I don’t get to see the emails? Fine. So, who am I going to believe? The ride times posted at the show by the show secretary. She may have intended to ride in the CDI or wanted to, or was told she would...but but if intentions were horses, we’d all have much bigger feed bills.

                                        Ride times say no CDI. There is no verifiable paper trail pointing to her being in the CDI. Unsubstantiated allegations my a**.
                                        The unsubstantiated allegation was that she could not possibly have been entered in the CDI because there was no record of qualifying scores at a national show. Not true.

                                        If you had merely said that no one has yet seen proof that she was in fact entered in the CDI, that would have been a true statement.

                                        It took some other posters some time and effort to debunk your erroneous claim that one needed to get qualifying scores at a national show prior to entering a domestic CDI.

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                                          Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                          There are national shows governed by the national federation, in this case USEF. There are international level shows, some of which are held in the US, that are governed by the rules of FEI, and these are called CDIs.

                                          The PSG, which is an FEI level test, and therefore common across all countries, may be offered in either national or CDI competitions. The lower level tests, T though 4th, are national levels because they differ by country.

                                          By “national CDI” do you mean a national show governed by the national federation as opposed to the FEI? And by “FEI CDI” do you mean a horse show governed by FEI rules?

                                          I think you are the only person who would refer to a national horse show run under the auspices of USEF/USDF a “national CDI”, so you’ll need to argue with yourself on that one.
                                          CDI after National was my mistake I meant PSG. I was afraid to edit and cause you discomfort in the event someone quoted me.
                                          Don't try this at home.

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