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  • Originally posted by Manni01 View Post

    Oh getting personal again?? Warning one more time and I will report it to the mods.....
    Report away neighbor!😂

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    • Originally posted by MorganSercu View Post

      After barn hours and mind you - people were sleeping in the barn so extra-disruptive.
      what were barn hours? How do you know what the hours are? Didn't she live on the property?
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      • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

        You wrote it, so you would know if you intended sarcasm.

        I assumed that saying USEF and USDF were partly responsible for the shooting was sarcasm. Sort of like I assumed someone else saying that the cat was responsible was sarcasm.
        I tried to explain it..... They changed the show scene in the US to a playground for the rich.... I have no problems with rich people, but I am sad that the sport of Dressage is suffering.... Its so beautiful to team up with a horse and develop together.... and there are many good riders in the US.
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        • Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post


          That seems a bit paranoid.
          maybe, but it is annoying when people get personal because they have a lack of true arguments....
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          • Originally posted by Manni01 View Post

            Well, whatever you say.... I did elaborate why I think so, but obviously you are not reading everything.. So just for you I will try to explain again.......

            USDF and USEF run their Organisations in a way which is not focussed on the participants but only on money.... They do not care if everybody who cannot afford it will drop out and stop showing. As a result the classes get smaller and smaller.... Many times you get a blue ribbon no matter what because you are the only participant...

            And this is the point..... You buy a nice horse and you enter a class then you will get a ribbon... If you play tennis, you loose in the first round if you are not good enough and that's it.... Not very satisfying....

            I hope I made myself clear now.......
            It is certainly true that equestrian sports tend to be a lot more expensive in the US than in Europe.

            It is not clear to me how this is the fault of USDF
            or USEF. A huge difference between the US and Europe is that the density of horses and riders in Holland or Germany is far, far, greater than in the US, so that a dressage rider can trailer to a rated show within an hour pretty much any weekend of the year. In my area, there are 4 rated shows a year.

            Same reason Europe has a fabulous train system, and the US doesn’t.

            What specific policies of USEF could be changed to make the sport more affordable?



            Last edited by YankeeDuchess; Jan. 17, 2020, 12:23 PM.

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            • The mileage rule shut out a lot of lower cost shows and the mega shows make more financial sense for everyone but the competitor.

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              • Originally posted by Dragonfly90 View Post
                I find the QFP very annoying. It Is not like anyone is on trial here and there is a need to preserve evidence.
                Having come to way too many threads where the OP has come along and removed all of their posts and no one quoted them I actually appreciate it that topic important posts are quoted.

                Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

                71 pages? I only see 37. Have I missed some?
                This is something that is editable in your profile.

                Go to your profile and hit 'Edit settings'.

                Under User Settings go to the Account tab.
                About half way down the page, under the heading of ‘Conversation Detail Options’ is ‘Posts per Page’.

                Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                So this is sarcasm, right?
                I thought it was sarcasm too.

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                • Originally posted by Manni01 View Post

                  Yes yes yes!! And I will go even further and will become probably really getting teared and feathered..... I think its not only both parties which are partly at fault, but it is also USDF and probably also USEF which are partly responsible for this tragic incident...
                  .
                  Why did LK choose Dressage as the Sport she wants to do... Why did she not decide to play tennis......
                  I supect I know why..... In tennis, you have to work and to work even harder and then you have to work more to win any match.....

                  In Dressage you buy some expensive horses, you choose an accomplished trainer, you pay expensive show fees which are a barrier for many potential competitors already and then you are good to go..... You see all these beautiful horses and the beautiful fashion which goes with it.... And you know that its so expensive that 90 of the people can not afford it... Somehow the hard work and dedication which still goes into it if you want to make it to the top got lost in the US..... LK posted a picture of herself and IW.... She probably did not even think how IW made her way up..... She did not buy expensive horses, she worked her butt up in a barn with a trainer who had a reputation for not being easy... She made it because she worked hard and then she worked harder..... And other then that you hardly heard anything about things which went wrong......

                  In the US showing Dressage is about money.... the more money you invest, the more expectations you have that you will be successful.....

                  LK is probably a victim of this system because she has not enough knowledge about what's going on behind the scenes and believed if she just paid enough money she would make it..... The trainer was a victim because he did not fully understand how naive this client was (together with a little tricky personality....). He just thought take the money of this client, which is pretty normal, he had no idea about the missing knowledge and expectations of this specific client.... And USDF is partly responsible because they formed the system to the current Status.... You pay and pay and pay and the sportsmanship is not really that important anymore.....
                  Who is IW?

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                  • Originally posted by Sparky View Post

                    Report away neighbor!😂

                    Sparky

                    The post of yours that she was threatening to report to the mods was one of the more innocuous posts I be seen on this thread. I wonder what the poor mods would think.

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                    • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                      It is certainly true that equestrian sports tend to be a lot more expensive in the US than in Europe.

                      It is not clear to me how this is the fault of USDF
                      or USEF. A huge difference between the US and Europe is that the density of horses and riders in Holland or Germany is far, far, greater than in the US, so that a dressage rider can trailer yo a rated show within an hoI ur pretty much any weekend of the year. In my area, there are 4 rated shows a year.

                      Same reason Europe has a fabulous train system, and the US doesn’t.

                      What specific policies of USEF could be changed to make the sport more affordable?



                      I think this would be another thread... Its OT here. But thank you very much for reading my post!!!

                      After reading through all these pages I think the reasons why this incident happened are really really complicated.... Its going to be tough trial for everybody involved

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                      • Originally posted by Manni01 View Post

                        I tried to explain it..... They changed the show scene in the US to a playground for the rich.... I have no problems with rich people, but I am sad that the sport of Dressage is suffering.... Its so beautiful to team up with a horse and develop together.... and there are many good riders in the US.
                        If you can explain what USEF could do or not do to make dressage more affordable in the US, I will start a petition to make you the head of the organization.

                        Saying “dressage is much more expensive in the US than I would like” is something everyone agrees on, but does not make dressage less expensive.

                        If USEF could do things differently to make it less expensive, please be specific on what the fix is.

                        Just as an example, for a CDI, you need a particular number of international judges. Consider the difference in cost of obtaining 10 international judges on the west cost of the US vs in Germany. How exactly does USEF “fix” that problem?

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                        • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post


                          Sparky

                          The post of yours that she was threatening to report to the mods was one of the more innocuous posts I be seen on this thread. I wonder what the poor mods would think.
                          I guess you don't much about the history of this board.... I think it was already mentioned that some user write PMs to each other to discuss threads. They do team up if they feel like it and go against single user.... I hope you saw that Sparky has not participated in this thread at all until there was a chance to get personal..... I was stupid in the beginning and tried to argue but its impossible so now simply report them to the Mods before they get into mobbing mode....
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                          • OMG Manni01 - while I appreciate that you were supporting my post - please don't make this thread about a tirade against USEF/USDF.

                            That has absolutely nothing to do with what happened between LK & MB. Money is apparently not an issue for LK, as she has told us in various forms.

                            I'm going to be seriously impressed if you come stomping into this thread and are the one to get it closed down in less than half a day.

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                            • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
                              The mileage rule shut out a lot of lower cost shows and the mega shows make more financial sense for everyone but the competitor.
                              If it’s a USEF rule that is a constraint, that is a fair criticism. But mega shows having better economics is not the fault of USEF.

                              But if USEF is artificially shutting out the competition from smaller shows, that’s a fair criticism.

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                              • Originally posted by Manni01 View Post

                                maybe, but it is annoying when people get personal because they have a lack of true arguments....
                                I find that annoying too! So glad we can agree on this!

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                                • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                  If you can explain what USEF could do or not do to make dressage more affordable in the US, I will start a petition to make you the head of the organization.

                                  Saying “dressage is much more expensive in the US than I would like” is something everyone agrees on, but does not make dressage less expensive.

                                  If USEF could do things differently to make it less expensive, please be specific on what the fix is.

                                  Just as an example, for a CDI, you need a particular number of international judges. Consider the difference in cost of obtaining 10 international judges on the west cost of the US vs in Germany. How exactly does USEF “fix” that problem?
                                  You clearly haven’t been showing at all or just started. The mileage rule paved the way for mega shows. The mileage rule is a bad policy created by...... wait for it......the USEF.

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                                  • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                    If you can explain what USEF could do or not do to make dressage more affordable in the US, I will start a petition to make you the head of the organization.

                                    Saying “dressage is much more expensive in the US than I would like” is something everyone agrees on, but does not make dressage less expensive.

                                    If USEF could do things differently to make it less expensive, please be specific on what the fix is.

                                    Just as an example, for a CDI, you need a particular number of international judges. Consider the difference in cost of obtaining 10 international judges on the west cost of the US vs in Germany. How exactly does USEF “fix” that problem?
                                    I am pretty sure that there are ways to make it more affordable....

                                    One very obvious thing (the easiest) is that you have to pay for 2 shows per weekend if you want to show both days....
                                    It was a shock for me that you are required to pay all the fees twice....
                                    And its BS that you need scores from different shows...

                                    The important part is the different judges thing.... the different show rule was probably created to make more money...


                                    For me the pressure to pay for stalls I usually don't even use (haul in fees are just as expensive usually) is another thing which could be eliminated without any problem...

                                    And my fav argument 😊. the top argument is this stupid AA rule...... That is one thing which was specifically created to protect the rich AA.... Doesn't make any sense otherwise....

                                    And there are many many other arguments but as I said, its another thread...
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                                    • Originally posted by MyssMyst View Post


                                      I've also been in these shoes. In my case, I have a son on the autism spectrum. He had an IEP carefully formulated to account for the fact that he has sensory processing issues, and being overstimulated in a traditional classroom environment would cause him to completely melt down. We had arranged in his IEP for that, as well as clear instructions to teachers on how to recognize and handle the overload.

                                      One teacher kept insisting on ignoring these instructions, resulting in repeated meltdowns that could have been avoided if the IEP was followed. There was one VERY memorable incident where we got called to the school because he melted down when said teacher insisted he handle the noise despite the meltdown, and it got... ugly. I threw a fit (after trying to deal with this politely on multiple occasions), and had to keep him out of school for several days until he was back to normal (he'd been repeatedly sent home for sensory overload meltdowns). I was told that as a parent I didn't know what I was doing and was setting him up for failure as an adult, and since I only had two kids I needed to use HER judgement. You guessed it, we got the call because we weren't sending our child to school.

                                      In case you're wondering, I'm NOT a nice person when you mess with my kids. No, these issues aren't a quick interview and done. In my case, I was fortunate that we'd been working with one of the best child psychologists in the state and he'd had a large hand in formulating that IEP, and we had proof it wasn't being complied with. We eventually decided to pull him out of school and go the home school route. It was stress that was completey unneccessary and avoidable. Yes, I was LIVID. The school office got some very ugly phone calls, and we had to threaten them with lawyers. Anyone who thinks it's not a big deal really hasn't met a person determined to weaponize the system.
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                                      When my son was in second grade my son told his teacher that he hated me (because I made him go to school) and she reported my family to CPS. It was pretty horriffic and took almost a year to get it straightened out, not to mention a fair amount of money.

                                      They threatened to take my 3 children.

                                      She told CPS that my mother had siezures, which was not true and was irrelevant in any case. She had brain damage from surgery to remove a brain tumor and had aphasia. We finally got it straightened out when I was able to catch her in a lie. She told the psychologist that he was habitually late for school because his mom (me) regularly overslept. Children who were late for school had to be signed in at the office and that never happened.

                                      She was fired. [QUOTE]

                                      Terrible stories. Imagine if a BNT shot you & you were all over the news everyday & especially every time something new is reported. Do you think for one second people determined to victim shame you, wouldn’t be the first one’s to go around saying “the victim isn’t a victim.... she abused her children and even a teacher sad it!” And, “it was sooooo bad, CPS was called, took all her kids away! I found this info on a government site which I can longer find but I swear, I saw it! Child abusers aren’t VICTIMS!”

                                      Then, people who have never met you but perhaps, engaged in some political debate with you on SOCIAL MEDIA claim they heard it too & even witnessed it! And, can offer up many more stories of your (theoretical) neglectful, reckless & abusive “ history.” They can even provide names of people who witnessed your (theoretical) “pattern,” of bad parenting. (Even though, once you demand names they run & hide. Once you try & force them to be accountable for their accusations, they run away or, worse, change the subject entirely.

                                      Think about that. Because, you never know when lightening will strike & put in the center of a circus you never asked to be in & suddenly everyone is wondering why you didn’t leave the location of where the lightening struck BEFORE the lightening struck. A cautionary tale for those who victim blame.
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                                      • Originally posted by rothmpp View Post
                                        OMG Manni01 - while I appreciate that you were supporting my post - please don't make this thread about a tirade against USEF/USDF.

                                        That has absolutely nothing to do with what happened between LK & MB. Money is apparently not an issue for LK, as she has told us in various forms.

                                        I'm going to be seriously impressed if you come stomping into this thread and are the one to get it closed down in less than half a day.
                                        I think she was saying that how showing has changed in the US has paved the way for entitled people to buy their way up the levels to some extent without needing to even know the rules. LK being such a person.

                                        As per usual YankeeDuchess latches on to something she knows nothing about to argue against the poster. This can’t be blamed on Manni. Also per usual people can’t just scroll past Manni without comment. She has a right to be sensitive to how people post about her. She did have a particularly vicious poster turn everything into an attack on her. I asked a question about showing up the levels and my post got turned into an attack on Manni somehow even though I was speaking about a person I know IRL. I then was accused of being an alter for Manni.

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                                        • [QUOTE=La-LaPopRider;n10558545]

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                                          When my son was in second grade my son told his teacher that he hated me (because I made him go to school) and she reported my family to CPS. It was pretty horriffic and took almost a year to get it straightened out, not to mention a fair amount of money.

                                          They threatened to take my 3 children.

                                          She told CPS that my mother had siezures, which was not true and was irrelevant in any case. She had brain damage from surgery to remove a brain tumor and had aphasia. We finally got it straightened out when I was able to catch her in a lie. She told the psychologist that he was habitually late for school because his mom (me) regularly overslept. Children who were late for school had to be signed in at the office and that never happened.

                                          She was fired.

                                          Terrible stories. Imagine if a BNT shot you & you were all over the news everyday & especially every time something new is reported. Do you think for one second people determined to victim shame you, wouldn’t be the first one’s to go around saying “the victim isn’t a victim.... she abused her children and even a teacher sad it!” And, “it was sooooo bad, CPS was called, took all her kids away! I found this info on a government site which I can longer find but I swear, I saw it! Child abusers aren’t VICTIMS!”

                                          Then, people who have never met you but perhaps, engaged in some political debate with you on SOCIAL MEDIA claim they heard it too & even witnessed it! And, can offer up many more stories of your (theoretical) neglectful, reckless & abusive “ history.” They can even provide names of people who witnessed your (theoretical) “pattern,” of bad parenting. (Even though, once you demand names they run & hide. Once you try & force them to be accountable for their accusations, they run away or, worse, change the subject entirely.

                                          Think about that. Because, you never know when lightening will strike & put in the center of a circus you never asked to be in & suddenly everyone is wondering why you didn’t leave the location of where the lightening struck BEFORE the lightening struck. A cautionary tale for those who victim blame.
                                          But...you are an adult. Not a child. Not a really good analogy IMO.

                                          I mean it was an escalating situation and you could choose to leave. A child doesn't have that choice.

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