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  • Postural alignment/rider back pain

    So, I had a phone consult this evening with someone who has a FB promotional that addresses rider back pain. They were asking for $5000 for a 12 week program, including 2x/week live video consults. That’s a lotta $. Anyone familiar with this ?
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    Uhm, that is definitely a lot of money. I would rather invest in a physiotherapist to see in person for that kind of investment. Physio and yoga have been a godsend for my own back issues and alignment. I noticed just focusing on my back pain and doing the simple exercises and stretches from physio have made a surprising impact on my position.
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    • #3
      I would also go to a local physiotherapist first and maybe find a one on one Pilates person.

      At say $100 a session for a physiotherapist or massage therapist, that's 50 sessions. You could go every week for a year for $5000.

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      • #4
        That is insanely expensive. Absolutely postural alignment and back pain are connected, and my trainer pretty much solved my back pain.... but the price is nutty.
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        • #5
          I was in physical therapy for 4 months or so to deal with my position and fix back pain/sciatica and spent less than half of that. (And I have a large deductible so that was without insurance even kicking in until the very end.) You really don't need a "riding specific" person. Regular stretching and increasing core strength is usually the key.
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          • #6
            Yes, I started getting these emails from the same person, daily, after I signed up to watch her video, which was basically a sales video. There was never anything of real substance or help, so I opted out of the emails. You need a good sports therapist. I spent 7 weeks with one going 3x per week, and the results were amazing. They need to be there with you because they not only watch what you do, but they watch from multiple angles (instead of one from a selfie video), and they can feel your muscles with their hands to see how they are responding.

            Go to a sports therapy facility. Your insurance may even cover it. Mine did.
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            • #7
              That price is rediculous. For a less expensive, more DIY approach, get a copy of "The Riding Doctor" and the accompanying video by Beth Glosten. Also, if you ever get a chance to clinic or lesson with Beth Glosten of Stepnainie Seheult, I highly recommend it. Other than that, if you are having pain, a physical therapist who does sports med type work can be quite helpful with exercises/posture and treatments out-of-the-saddle.

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              • #8
                You can do a video consult with Stephanie Seheult for $80. My experience with her has been very worthwhile and Amelia Newcomb and her riders also work with her. Please let us know what happens ok? And best wishes for finding relief and help.

                Her website is www.rideadvancedphysio.com

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                  Originally posted by PaddockWood View Post
                  You can do a video consult with Stephanie Seheult for $80. My experience with her has been very worthwhile and Amelia Newcomb and her riders also work with her. Please let us know what happens ok? And best wishes for finding relief and help.

                  Her website is www.rideadvancedphysio.com
                  Sent a contact request via her website. Thanks.
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                  • #10
                    INSANE, and I'm a physician. I can say, be very very careful about who treats back pain. IMHO Orthopedic Surgeons are generally not qualified, and I'm in an orthopedic field. Hubby is a Radiologist and between of we've seen some horrific things done to people by every form of Doctors and Chiropractors. One of the more common issues, missed by most doctors is called Ilio-Sacral Instability or Sacroiliac Disease (Instability). I have it personally. Classic signs are a person who has loose ligaments (worse if you've had children). You lean as little as 10 degrees forward, even without weight in your hands and the Sacrum pops of the joint. I go down like I've been shot and lose complete control of my legs. After 6 weeks crawling to the bathroom, hubby finally talked me into seeing a sports medicine guy. He literally saved my life. 30 minutes of stretching, and the sacrum popped back in and he taught my hubby how to do it. Never did the exercises as much as was supposed to and it would go out 2-3 times a year. Ironically, once I started working out to build core strength to ride, it's never gone out since! I will say the core strengthening exercises were not super aggressive because I was somewhat afraid of hurting myself. Slowly over time my trainer added more balance and strength, little by little, and it worked! If yours doesn't go away, find somebody with a Paso Fino to let you ride. I never would have ridden one but a friend talked me into it. They are the coolest thing EVER! It's like riding a flying carpet. The gait looks annoying on Youtube but the trail largo gait isn't such short steps and is a BLAST! Ironically, Paso Finos really need to be ridden with dressage because when people lean it throws off their gait and stresses them. The gait is 100% normal and unlike some other gaited horses, it doesn't take any special talent to keep them in gait. I have non gaited, TWH, MFT, and 2 Paso Finos. The Pasos are like Golden Retrievers, specially the Peruvian ones from the sire Cappuccino.

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                    • #11
                      You could also look for someone who does the Alexander technique. I understand that it is all about postural alignment. (But that is just my understanding, I have never utilized it, so I could be wrong.)

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                      • #12
                        I’ll fix your back for $4000! Lol

                        I agree with the advice to see an in person PT. In my general area, there are some with equestrian experience. My pilates instructor is a PT (she just teaches a Pilates class in her PT studio on Saturdays for fun), and I’m going to make an appointment with her to fix my riding posture. Something I’m doing is making my center of gravity too high, making it difficult for me to sit tall, and causing pain in/around my lats. I don’t think it will matter that she doesn’t have equestrian experience, but if whatever she does doesn’t fix it, I will go a bit farther to one of the equestrian specific PTs.

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                          I went to a non-equestrian PT for a couple months in the fall and it made a huge improvement. I went from daily pain so bad I was in tears and barely able to sit on my couch, much less my horse, to the point that a whole bunch of nitpicky things my trainer was always pointing out absolutely disappeared as my body strengthened to the point of being even for probably the first time in my life. I'm still trying to sort out what it's going to take to make my back stable enough to jump (although I had my first jumping lesson in 4 months yesterday, without pain), but PT alone was pretty life changing for me. Isabeau Z Solace - I'd love to hear what you think of Stephanie Seheult, if you use her. It would be interesting to see if an equestrian based PT could clean up some last issues for me.

                          LuvEquines - your story's pretty interesting. My PT suspects I have some form of Joint Hypermobility Syndrome (which I'd also suspected for some time before my body finally threw a fit and demanded I deal with it), and I wonder how many other people are walking around with general ligament issues and no knowledge. I'm planning genetic testing in 2020, so I can figure out if I need to add more specialists to my team before more things fall apart.

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                            Well thanks folks this has been a very productive topic. I am signed up for an intro Pilates class tomorrow morning 10 am. And I would like to look into a sports physio some sort of person. I am fairly fit and ride 4 (gaited) horses/day but warmblood trots have been kicking my ass for 15 years. Also, my back is not great. Thanks for all the feedback and leads.
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                            • #15
                              I keep adding things to my "Improve Wicky's Riding Ability" project. It began years ago with starting attending Mary Wanless clinics (still do). Then I added Pilates, then physical therapy for strength, then a different physical therapist for asymmetry, and the latest addition is Alexander Technique lessons (which, by working on fascia, help my posture and symmetry and general feelings of well-being). And, it all has helped me improve my proprioception, which is so important in riding!

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