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Clueless and curious - Thoughts on rule change re: leaving anywhere other than A

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  • Clueless and curious - Thoughts on rule change re: leaving anywhere other than A

    I noted in the COTH article on Dec 1 rule changes that the following was added for dressage-

    If a horse-and-rider pair leaves the arena anywhere other than A at the end of the test (unless the rider loses control while on a long rein) they will be eliminated.

    So what happens if you are the rider that "lost control" (sounds rather serious! lol) on a long rein and left. Are you simply penalized for being bad at long rein situations? I am not well versed in Dressage protocol, but that looked funny to me.

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    Huh - what was the rule? I always thought you had to exit at A after your test.

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    • #3
      GrayDes obviously they had to write a new rule because at some venue(s) people were walking out over the ring rails to shortcut(?) to the barns. If there is an uncontrolled spook, that is a different matter and the rider would not be penalized with an elimination.
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      • #4
        LOL - there is a show that has the rider exit on the rail next to K since there is no room at A. Obviously they require a gatekeeper.
        www.settlementfarm.us

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dotneko View Post
          LOL - there is a show that has the rider exit on the rail next to K since there is no room at A. Obviously they require a gatekeeper.
          If you read the full rule change proposal, that is OK.

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          • #6
            I was scribing at a show where a rider (very experienced GP pro) rode a young horse in a material class.After the test, when the judge asked her to come over for comments, the rider chose to walk right over the little white fence. WTF?

            I think incidents like that may have precipitated the rule change.
            Hindsight bad, foresight good.

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            • #7
              I was at the convention. In essence, your test does not end with the salute at X. The walk on a loose rein to A, if not done well. can cost you points.
              pace, path, balance, impulsion and ??

              Don't panic! Ralph Leroy Hill

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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrayCatFarm View Post
                I was at the convention. In essence, your test does not end with the salute at X. The walk on a loose rein to A, if not done well. can cost you points.
                Wow, that’s surprising!

                (My mare’s best free walk is sometimes after the halt salute, LOL!)

                I would have assumed the judge is busy summing up the test and writing the collectives, and would only notice if something “dramatic” happened.
                "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

                "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

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                • #9
                  How would a judge deduct points? No box for exiting the ring.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MsM View Post
                    How would a judge deduct points? No box for exiting the ring.
                    If it's true that deductions may be applied, it would be in collectives.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by AllWeatherGal View Post

                      If it's true that deductions may be applied, it would be in collectives.
                      Well now, well now!

                      This makes sense when I think I am a bit "over-rewarded" by the judge...(My mare does a lovely, relaxed, swinging walk on a long rein when on her way out of the ring.)

                      Good to know!
                      "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

                      "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by AllWeatherGal View Post

                        If it's true that deductions may be applied, it would be in collectives.
                        Yes that would be possible, but the judge is busy writing comments and does not normally watch and evaluate the walk after the final salute.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Badger View Post
                          I was scribing at a show where a rider (very experienced GP pro) rode a young horse in a material class.After the test, when the judge asked her to come over for comments, the rider chose to walk right over the little white fence. WTF?

                          I think incidents like that may have precipitated the rule change.
                          The rider may have been hard of hearing and needed to be very close to hear or see what was written on the test.
                          It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GrayCatFarm View Post
                            I was at the convention. In essence, your test does not end with the salute at X. The walk on a loose rein to A, if not done well. can cost you points.
                            not sure how that can be true since the rules clearly state a conventional test starts at the A entry and is done at the salute.

                            h. A test begins with the entry at A and ends after the final salute, as soon as the horse moves forward; except in Freestyle, where the test begins in the first stride after the salute and ends at the final salute. Except for leaving the arena as described above in 7.g, ( new rule)
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post

                              The rider may have been hard of hearing and needed to be very close to hear or see what was written on the test.
                              The rider didn’t want to go all the way to A and around the ring so she just stepped over the rail. Coming over near the rail (but staying in the ring) to hear the judge who was standing just a couple feet beyond the rail is what was expected. No idea why she felt the need to exit the ring, but it certainly shouldn’t have been by walking over the plank.
                              Hindsight bad, foresight good.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by AZ TD View Post

                                Yes that would be possible, but the judge is busy writing comments and does not normally watch and evaluate the walk after the final salute.
                                *IF* it's true.

                                I have often been in the situation of writing collective marks and scores while judges contemplate the horizon. My head is down, so I have no idea exactly where their eyes land.

                                At the same time, I have never ever heard or seen a judge "admit" that anything before the first bell or after final halt/salute was considered in scoring a test.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by AllWeatherGal View Post

                                  *IF* it's true.

                                  I have often been in the situation of writing collective marks and scores while judges contemplate the horizon. My head is down, so I have no idea exactly where their eyes land.

                                  At the same time, I have never ever heard or seen a judge "admit" that anything before the first bell or after final halt/salute was considered in scoring a test.
                                  While you are writing collective marks and scores, the judge is probably thinking about their final comments for the test and not evaluating the walk which they have already scored in the test itself. If one has a great walk after the halt the judge might think that the rider caused a problem in the test, if there was one. It is the same as the judge watching the rider before they enter the ring. They only judge the ride as the horse enters as per the test sheet.

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