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  • Originally posted by Wilbury Pie View Post

    Scenario that you are referring to doesn’t involve aliens, and it is plausible. Nothing in this scenario contradicts the facts presented at the initial hearing.

    As you wrote, there is a third eyewitness who doesn’t post on COTH, but now we are reading about statements he apparently made to visitors from jail. Based on almost bronze, I won’t hold my breath on that last bit of “information”.

    The scenario about the aliens is not only implausible, it is inconceivable. Your story about MB packing heat because he knew there was a 25 pound dog known to be a biter, then fired 3 shots, none of which hit the dog but two of which hit Lauren in the chest, is conceivable. It is not plausible.
    Last edited by YankeeDuchess; Jan. 2, 2020, 12:19 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Mardi View Post

      Read my post #1424 again. I wrote "persuade potential jurors". Meaning the pool of pre-trial potential jurors.
      The DA and defense attorneys try to persuade sworn jurors DURING the trial.

      Let's review your words: "From what I hear, (people who have visited him in jail)..."
      As you described it, people have visited MB in jail, and then told you what he said to them. Now you repeat it to us, and it becomes hearsay. You, as our only source, weren't in the jail visiting him when he supposedly made those comments, and you're passing along second or third hand information that may, or may not be true.

      Until the texts and emails sent by MB with his own comments are made public, we have no way of knowing what he actually said. For now it's rumor, and hearsay.
      When the jury is selected, any potential jurors who have had previous exposure to the case will be disqualified. How do you not know this?

      In the defamation lawsuit against Elon Musk, they had trouble getting a full set of presumed-to-be-unbiased jurors because so many potential jurors owned Tesla cars or Tesla stock.

      Is this what all the anti-LK venom is about on this thread? Some people (mistakenly) believe that by using character assassination on SM, that LK will be a sufficiently unlikable victim, that MB will be acquitted?





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      • Michael barisone is 100% going to spend time in prison. He found a gun that wasn't his to go.....do something, and because he had gone to find a gun, actively got a gun he didn't own, he was able to shoot a woman twice in the chest.

        There isn't a world where he isn't spending some time in prison.
        Let me apologize in advance.

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        • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

          Is this what all the anti-LK venom is about on this thread? Some people (mistakenly) believe that by using character assassination on SM, that LK will be a sufficiently unlikable victim, that MB will be acquitted?

          I seriously doubt potential jurors are eagerly reading COTH at this point. Not everyone in NJ is interested in this case.

          As far as character assassination on SM, LK's past behavior on SM has written that story all by her own making. The "lies" allegedly told by two passionate posters on the larger thread have considerable truth to her past behavior. Will that information be admissible in court? I have absolutely no idea but I'm sure past behavior (of all 3 parties) will be introduced at some point and will carry considerable weight to some jurors.

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          • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
            Michael barisone is 100% going to spend time in prison. He found a gun that wasn't his to go.....do something, and because he had gone to find a gun, actively got a gun he didn't own, he was able to shoot a woman twice in the chest.

            There isn't a world where he isn't spending some time in prison.
            So, let's just not have a trial and go ahead and throw that key to his jail cell away right now, shall we? Is there a post here suggesting MB will be completely exonerated of all charges?

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            • Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

              So, let's just not have a trial and go ahead and throw that key to his jail cell away right now, shall we? Is there a post here suggesting MB will be completely exonerated of all charges?
              So that's what's called a slippery slope logical fallacy. With a little reductio ad absurdum thrown in.
              Let me apologize in advance.

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              • A lot of the posters on this thread are not familiar with the criminal justice system whatsoever. Some of us are very familiar with it, for different reasons.

                The delusions are real.

                MB is 100% going to remain in jail for some time.
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                • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                  So that's what's called a slippery slope logical fallacy. With a little reductio ad absurdum thrown in.
                  I totally agree.......almost as absurd as your post. I was shocked to consider MB actually might serve some time in prison. I had never considered that possibility. There must be others like me who appreciate your insight. Or, to reintroduce one of YankeeDuchess words, No **** Sherlock! (Total sarcasm.)

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                  • Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

                    I totally agree.......almost as absurd as your post. I was shocked to consider MB actually might serve some time in prison. I had never considered that possibility. There must be others like me who appreciate your insight. Or, to reintroduce one of YankeeDuchess words, No **** Sherlock! (Total sarcasm.)

                    cool.
                    Let me apologize in advance.

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                    • Originally posted by Mardi View Post

                      Read my post #1424 again. I wrote "persuade potential jurors". Meaning the pool of pre-trial potential jurors.
                      The DA and defense attorneys try to persuade sworn jurors DURING the trial.

                      Let's review your words: "From what I hear, (people who have visited him in jail)..."
                      As you described it, people have visited MB in jail, and then told you what he said to them. Now you repeat it to us, and it becomes hearsay. You, as our only source, weren't in the jail visiting him when he supposedly made those comments, and you're passing along second or third hand information that may, or may not be true.

                      Until the texts and emails sent by MB with his own comments are made public, we have no way of knowing what he actually said. For now it's rumor, and hearsay.
                      For the record, it was Mardi who brought up the concept of posting on COTH to “persuade” “potential pre-trial jurors”. She brought it up in the context of insinuating that LK was poisoning the pool of potential jurors about MB.

                      This is preposterous, not only because, as you say, of the large set of potential jurors in the NJ court district, only a vanishingly small percentage of them would be reading here. Further, in jury selection, pretrial exposure to the case would get a potential juror disqualified in a heartbeat.

                      In the movie about Alan Dershowitz defending Klaus von Bulow, in an early meeting Dershowitz tells von Bulow, “Well, everyone pretty much hates you, so you have that going for you.” I think he meant that he expected the judge and jury to work so hard to NOT let the likability/nonlikability of the defendant affect the verdict, that they might even overcompensate and be slightly less likely to convict.

                      IMHO, the verdict will be based almost wholly on evidence or rules of evidence, and very, very minimally on the likability of the defendant or the victim.

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                      • I served on a murder trial last year. There were 2 defendants, and we found them both guilty. One was clear & easy. One was murky. We had no doubt of his involvement, but it wasn’t clear cut as to legally if the charges could stand. We found out much more after the trial about both defendants (and two others charged but tried separately), and we absolutely made the right call. Both will rot in prison for 50+ years. One other got 37 yrs, another is on trial in CA for 2 other murders, and can still be tried on “our” case.

                        there is a difference between “innocent “ and “not guilty”. How the jurors will decide the case will be dependent on the judges rules on this specific case. All the defense has to do is prove “reasonable doubt” for him to be declared “not guilty”. There is no doubt at all that he is not innocent.

                        as far as no exposure to the case, that will be up to the attorneys. On a high profile case, it is hard to find jurors that aren’t at least peripherally aware of it. Doesn’t mean they’ll all be thrown off, if they can be open minded & objective. Obviously, anyone close to any one involved, would likely be excused.

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                        • Originally posted by CindyB59 View Post

                          there is a difference between “innocent “ and “not guilty”. How the jurors will decide the case will be dependent on the judges rules on this specific case. All the prosecution has to do is prove “reasonable doubt” for him to be declared “not guilty”. There is no doubt at all that he is not innocent.
                          Underline by me - I think you mean the defense, not the prosecution. The prosecution is the side that wants him found guilty, the defense is who will go for the reasonable doubt side.

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                          • Originally posted by trubandloki View Post

                            Underline by me - I think you mean the defense, not the prosecution. The prosecution is the side that wants him found guilty, the defense is who will go for the reasonable doubt side.
                            yes, thanks. I edited

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                            • I’m pretty surprised how many people have such strong opinions when so many facts are unknown.

                              I do, however, appreciate all the recipes!
                              Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth

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                              • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post


                                The relative theory has the same problem as the alter theory. I joined on July 3, 2019 and posted on several other unrelated threads before dropping in here a couple weeks ago. Why build the alter and wait until 2 weeks ago to show up, Sherlock?
                                GreenWithEnvy

                                Is this the post of mine with the reference to Sherlock? This was posted in response to someone who deduced I was a relative of LK.

                                Please provide post number in which I said “No ****, Sherlock”.

                                Last edited by YankeeDuchess; Jan. 2, 2020, 04:37 PM.

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                                • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                                  A lot of the posters on this thread are not familiar with the criminal justice system whatsoever. Some of us are very familiar with it, for different reasons.

                                  The delusions are real.

                                  MB is 100% going to remain in jail for some time.
                                  This is why I 100% cannot commit crimes: I would not be able to ride. Does he just sit there and think about trotting horses all day? I would. It just seems so tragic. Criminals must not have obsessive hobbies (at least not healthy ones), otherwise they wouldn't be committing so many crimes.
                                  "I am but a passenger on this ship"
                                  -- Stendal (epitaph)

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                                  • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post
                                    GreenWithEnvy

                                    Is this the post of mine with the reference to Sherlock? This was posted in response to someone who deduced I was a relative of LK.
                                    What????????

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                                    • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                                      I provided verbatim quotes of a couple of AR posts from the beginning of the thread for Angela. I’m pretty sure that there are many more, but have limited time.

                                      I don't think verbatim means what you think it means.
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                                      • Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

                                        What????????
                                        In your post 1468 you attribute to me to the phrase “No ****, Sherlock”. Please provide the post number in which I said that.
                                        I used the word “Sherlock” in two posts in response to someone who deduced that I was a relative of Lauren’s. I honestly don’t remember the “No ****” part, and would appreciate you documenting that I said that.

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                                        • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post

                                          I don't think verbatim means what you think it means.
                                          I think verbatim means quoted precisely word for word. What do you think it means?

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