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  • Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

    So, if there were cameras at the house, where are those recordings? I'm assuming with the PD? Were they your cameras or ones MB had installed earlier? Simply curious.

    I am amazed MB is saying anything to any visitors unless he's in a different kind of jail than I am aware of. Usually, prisoners are not allowed to discuss their case with anyone except their attorney under any circumstances.
    The police have everything. All of our phones, computers, camera files, everything.
    No one ever said MB follows rules. Dressage is a small community. He gets visitors on sundays & Tuesday’s. People have asked him “what were you thinking?” His answers got around.
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    • Can someone please direct me to FatDinah’s original post re- “stand your ground,” & my dog? Can’t seem to find it.
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      • Originally posted by FatDinah View Post

        In some states, like Florida, there's a "stand your ground" defense. Just speculating, but Barisone could say he went to the house, thought his life was in danger from LK, RG, this dog, and say he fired in self defense. Add in character assassination of LK and you might get a juror to refuse to convict.
        To the extent that the defense wanted to use “character assassination of LK”, I expect that that is a double edged sword. Really subtle maligning of character might help the defense, but anything heavy handed I expect would backfire.

        To paraphrase a well worn maxim, the trial will be held in a court of law, not an Internet forum.

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        • Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post

          From what I hear, (people who have visited him in jail) - MB has changed his story about the shooting a million times. To some, he’s said he doesn’t remember. To others, he “blacked out.” And to others still, “he was confused.”
          And that's hearsay.
          You're not trying to persuade a potential juror, are you ?

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          • Originally posted by FatDinah View Post
            In some states, like Florida, there's a "stand your ground" defense. Just speculating, but Barisone could say he went to the house, thought his life was in danger from LK, RG, this dog, and say he fired in self defense. Add in character assassination of LK and you might get a juror to refuse to convict. [QUOTE]

            Add in character assassination of MB & a jury will see right through him & never be able to unsee. Not that he’s a difficult read.
            Just speculating here, but, typically, someone thinks his life in danger - does NOT go to the apartment of those he claims to “fear.” FTR- I’m 5’4 and 104 lbs. My dog, 25 lbs. Reread my post regarding the day of the shooting. It may clear up the dog thing. Also, self defense??? I’m not shocked by many things. Though, if THAT is what he tries to go with- after discovery, I WOULD be SHOCKED.

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            • [QUOTE=La-LaPopRider;n10547755]Originally posted by FatDinah View Post
              In some states, like Florida, there's a "stand your ground" defense. Just speculating, but Barisone could say he went to the house, thought his life was in danger from LK, RG, this dog, and say he fired in self defense. Add in character assassination of LK and you might get a juror to refuse to convict.

              Add in character assassination of MB & a jury will see right through him & never be able to unsee. Not that he’s a difficult read.
              Just speculating here, but, typically, someone thinks his life in danger - does NOT go to the apartment of those he claims to “fear.” FTR- I’m 5’4 and 104 lbs. My dog, 25 lbs. Reread my post regarding the day of the shooting. It may clear up the dog thing. Also, self defense??? I’m not shocked by many things. Though, if THAT is what he tries to go with- after discovery, I WOULD be SHOCKED.
              I feel like a lot of users here think that when a trial happens the defense can offer countless hearsay witnesses, and present unlimited theories of the crime in the courtroom.

              I'm unclear why they seem to think this, and I know everyone can't be expected to have even basic knowledge of how criminal trials work, but it's a bit surprising nonetheless.
              Let me apologize in advance.

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              • Originally posted by Mardi View Post

                And that's hearsay.
                You're not trying to persuade a potential juror, are you ?
                Huh? Pretty sure it’s the job of the DA & the defense attorney to “persuade jurors.”
                In any case, texts, emails, pms, dms etc... are not “hearsay,” if they come from the source. Even if it doesn’t come from the source, people can be compelled to testify by subpoena. Not sure of your intention of your super strange accusation?
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                • Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post
                  Can someone please direct me to FatDinah’s original post re- “stand your ground,” & my dog? Can’t seem to find it.


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                  • Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post

                    The police have everything. All of our phones, computers, camera files, everything.
                    No one ever said MB follows rules. Dressage is a small community. He gets visitors on sundays & Tuesday’s. People have asked him “what were you thinking?” His answers got around.
                    Wow. Your friends visit him in jail and then share what he says? Or, is that like people who want to be involved say they saw him and he said, blah-blah-blah? That's wild. Well, I suppose people are telling him what you've said. Crazy situation.

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                    • [QUOTE=ladyj79;n10547757]
                      Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post
                      Originally posted by FatDinah View Post
                      In some states, like Florida, there's a "stand your ground" defense. Just speculating, but Barisone could say he went to the house, thought his life was in danger from LK, RG, this dog, and say he fired in self defense. Add in character assassination of LK and you might get a juror to refuse to convict.

                      I feel like a lot of users here think that when a trial happens the defense can offer countless hearsay witnesses, and present unlimited theories of the crime in the courtroom.

                      I'm unclear why they seem to think this, and I know everyone can't be expected to have even basic knowledge of how criminal trials work, but it's a bit surprising nonetheless.

                      They’ve spent way to much time on Internet forums and FB and they assume that a trial in a courtroom is pretty much the same as a thread on COTH. Thank god it’s not.

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                      • [QUOTE=ladyj79;n10547757]
                        Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post
                        Originally posted by FatDinah View Post
                        In some states, like Florida, there's a "stand your ground" defense. Just speculating, but Barisone could say he went to the house, thought his life was in danger from LK, RG, this dog, and say he fired in self defense. Add in character assassination of LK and you might get a juror to refuse to convict.

                        I feel like a lot of users here think that when a trial happens the defense can offer countless hearsay witnesses, and present unlimited theories of the crime in the courtroom.

                        I'm unclear why they seem to think this, and I know everyone can't be expected to have even basic knowledge of how criminal trials work, but it's a bit surprising nonetheless.
                        So true. Eye witnesses, ear witnesses are considered direct evidence. In my reply FatDinah re: “character assassination,” it was more of a retort than actual answer. Nothing from 20 years ago will be relevant. Random stories about how wonderful or horrible mb or me Are will be relevant, most likely. Unless, recent convictions which indicate violent behavior are brought up, (which those types of things could well be relevant) - I don’t suspect a round -and-round of who is the “better citizen,” will be relevant. Only the facts of the case & corroborating evidence will be relevant, I’d suspect & expect.
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                        • [QUOTE=La-LaPopRider;n10547768]
                          Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                          So true. Eye witnesses, ear witnesses are considered direct evidence. In my reply FatDinah re: “character assassination,” it was more of a retort than actual answer. Nothing from 20 years ago will be relevant. Random stories about how wonderful or horrible mb or me Are will be relevant, most likely. Unless, recent convictions which indicate violent behavior are brought up, (which those types of things could well be relevant) - I don’t suspect a round -and-round of who is the “better citizen,” will be relevant. Only the facts of the case & corroborating evidence will be relevant, I’d suspect & expect.
                          I imagine things will be brought up you haven't considered. One doesn't hire a high caliber attorney and expect mediocre results. I heard somewhere Bilinkas uses lots of investigators with his firm looking into all sorts of details to paint the picture he wants for his client.

                          Did you mistype above and mean to say Irrevelant?

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                          • Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post

                            Uh... yeah. The issue isn’t the score. The scores are there. The apparent issue is the judge. (An issue no one seemed to contest when MB & MH posted it on their walls in June.) No matter the outcome, they will need to explain that.... not me. And, for the last time- ..... nah. There already was “last time,” for what I’ve already said in previous posts.

                            You have no information. That must bother you. But, you will not be getting any info from me! The info, rather “content, of your posts speaks volumes of your character & seeming obsession to perpetuate misinformation. You &
                            @tryingtogettthere seem to have a very special interest in all of this. Don’t you have horses to ride? Friends to chat with? Anything? (Rhetorical.)
                            No the issue is not the judge... the issue is that you need to have the scores and you need different judges... BOTH factors are important. If you neglect one, you have not the result you want...
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                            • [QUOTE=GreenWithEnvy;n10547770]
                              Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post

                              I imagine things will be brought up you haven't considered. One doesn't hire a high caliber attorney and expect mediocre results. I heard somewhere Bilinkas uses lots of investigators with his firm looking into all sorts of details to paint the picture he wants for his client.

                              Did you mistype above and mean to say Irrevelant?
                              Yes, I meant to say “irrelevant.” He does use lots of investigators & tries very hard to sneak things in which have already been declared “inadmissible.” He’s welcome to paint any picture he wants. Unless he can rewind time & erase all hard evidence of Michael trying to murder two people, in cold blood & after extensive planning, his picture may as well be of rainbows & puppies - drawn in crayon. Just to show the jury a picture of happy things, instead.
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                              • [QUOTE=GreenWithEnvy;n10547770]
                                Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post

                                I imagine things will be brought up you haven't considered. One doesn't hire a high caliber attorney and expect mediocre results. I heard somewhere Bilinkas uses lots of investigators with his firm looking into all sorts of details to paint the picture he wants for his client.

                                Did you mistype above and mean to say Irrevelant?
                                Also, (just remembered this) watch Balinkas defend Virginia Vertitas. Big murder case. While he seems to (for the moment) stay “mum,” - he’s actually a huge media hound. I didn’t like (in that case) that he knew his client was completely lying, even pointed it out, but continued to put on this huge spectacle, pretending to CRY in front of the jury, to get his client off. Google the case, if you’re bored one day. It’s interesting.

                                I’ve already seen him in court, live. Forget the reason for the appearance but I witnessed him trying to do some questionable things - specifically to elicit a reaction from me. It didn’t work then- and it won’t work ever. His client is guilty. What sucks the most is, I used to be unbelievably adamant about defendants receiving every single benefit of the doubt before being convicted of a crime they may not have committed. When news sources would report negative stories about a defendant & a jury was not sequestered - I’d go bonkers. I guess being the victim of a crime like this changes your view on everything. I never want to see ALL defendants as being guilty from now on. Unfortunately & despite my passion for the law & study of law - my views are forever altered. Hazard of being nearly killed by gunfire at the hands of another person, I guess.
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                                • Eh. Here's another postulation. MB goes to LK's place to confront her about the CS visit which has him upset, brings along the gun because there is that dog which bites people, walks up to her, angry, LK grins and reaches behind her to pull out her phone to do her usual patronizing recording of MB angry, MB thinks SHE's pulling a gun, and uses his "first' when of course she wasn't armed. Not like that has never happened before.

                                  Or, the dog lunges, he starts to pull his gun on the dog, the dog leaps and pushes him over and the shots go high, into LK, the last one going wild missing the boyfriend because by then the dog has him on the ground. I could believe that more easily than believe that he had planned to murder her. Nobody would plan to murder someone that way, its entirely unblievable, and no, I don't belive that the recordings made over previous weeks were of a murder plot. So that's (one of) my opinion(s).
                                  Last edited by AnotherRound; Jan. 2, 2020, 05:58 AM.
                                  Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                                  • First question asked at jury selection:

                                    "Do you ride horses?"

                                    A yes is an automatic challenge and exclusion as juror.

                                    There won't be a single horse person on that jury.

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                                    • Very likely so.
                                      Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                                      • [QUOTE=La-LaPopRider;n10547794]
                                        Originally posted by GreenWithEnvy View Post

                                        Also, (just remembered this) watch Balinkas defend Virginia Vertitas. Big murder case. While he seems to (for the moment) stay “mum,” - he’s actually a huge media hound. I didn’t like (in that case) that he knew his client was completely lying, even pointed it out, but continued to put on this huge spectacle, pretending to CRY in front of the jury, to get his client off. Google the case, if you’re bored one day. It’s interesting.

                                        I’ve already seen him in court, live. Forget the reason for the appearance but I witnessed him trying to do some questionable things - specifically to elicit a reaction from me. It didn’t work then- and it won’t work ever. His client is guilty. What sucks the most is, I used to be unbelievably adamant about defendants receiving every single benefit of the doubt before being convicted of a crime they may not have committed. When news sources would report negative stories about a defendant & a jury was not sequestered - I’d go bonkers. I guess being the victim of a crime like this changes your view on everything. I never want to see ALL defendants as being guilty from now on. Unfortunately & despite my passion for the law & study of law - my views are forever altered. Hazard of being nearly killed by gunfire at the hands of another person, I guess.
                                        Yes, this high falutin' lawyer was specifically trying to elicit a reaction from you. It was all about you. You were in court for an appearance you have "forgotton" watching a lawyer act out drama in public "specifically to elicti a reaction from ME ME Its all about ME. I doubt he knew you were there

                                        And who are you so sneer at someone acting out for attention and to elicit reactions from the public? You do it over and over and over and over every day, here on COTH, over and over and over, attention attention, can't put it down, can't stop, looking and trying to play your story any which way you can and elicit from the other posters the "correct" response, pulling from every post things to refute and over and over pulling tiny aspects of others' posts to rewrite as proof of your side of the story. God, woman, do you think we are here for you? Not one of us is here for any other reason than the entertainment of seeing what new drama you can "elicit" out of your sorry 15 minutes of fame. Keep on milking it, pet, because no matter what the outcome of this pathetic tale ever will be, you are old, sorry news.
                                        Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                                        • As for the 50k she says MB owes her, I bet that's the outrageous sum they asked for as fee for the shoddy, inspector-rejected shoddy work they did no MB's house, and probably was the catalyst for the whole debacle. Free remt and training her horses in exchange for the otherwise unemployed paramour's work on the hourse which the inspector rejected. And maybe posted a notice on the door about

                                          If MB was giving her the season of free training for her horses in exchange for the construction work, When that turned out to be the wreck of an incompetent, I can absolutely see MB telling her NO MORE HORSES Brought onto the property. You owe me training, board, and rent, now. If MB was wanting training fees and rent, now. which of course they refused to give.

                                          So the trial will be about unpaid rent. And when she realized that the rent and training was unpaid, because of boyfriend's shoddy work, Instead of leaving, she refused to leave. The whole thing would make my blood boil. I wouldn't shoot anyone, ,and I am no condoning shooting her about it, but, again, I don't bleieve he did as she said it happened Or maybe he did,shoot her in anger but if I was a betting person, I wold absolutey bet that it wasn't the way she says it went down.
                                          Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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