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  • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

    They posted she got her bronze
    Ahhh, thank you.

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    • Originally posted by Wilbury Pie View Post
      Three things stand out to me.

      1. Why stay and not leave if one feels threatened, especially if it involved horses.... [QUOTE]

      You answered your own question in the second half of your sentence. And, of course, there’s more to the story you don’t know.
      ????????????????????

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      • [QUOTE=La-LaPopRider;n10546923]Originally posted by Wilbury Pie View Post
        Three things stand out to me.

        1. Why stay and not leave if one feels threatened, especially if it involved horses....

        You answered your own question in the second half of your sentence. And, of course, there’s more to the story you don’t know.
        By the time things really hit the fan we all understand why you didn’t want to leave your horses. I think what a lot of people struggle with is that it sounds like the situation devolved over the course of some time - time enough to set up security cameras / recording devices in the barn. What I think people are asking over and over is why wait for things to escalate further? The point at which you felt it necessary to make secret recordings would have already been past the point where many people would have stayed, so I think that’s what’s tough to wrap our heads around without knowing all the details.


        Did all this happen in the span of just a day or two? Or was this situation developing over the course of several weeks, as many people are assuming, which would have given you time to find alternate living arrangements for you and your horses?
        Last edited by BigMama1; Dec. 31, 2019, 11:51 PM.

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        • Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post
          [
          You are wrong about YankeeDuchess though. She HAS NOT made any of this “about her.” She’s stated several times, she is NOT pro LK but anti lynch mob. I find that very fair. You are also wrong about the amount of users who have repeatedly attacked me, outright lied & continue to ask moronic questions, with snide accusations carefully placed within those questions. I can think of 10 right now- without having to look back on earlier posts.
          YD has very much made this about her of late - and it has little to actually do with you. YD has repeatedly told us about how amazingly amazing she is for standing up to some immense "cyber mob" that does not in fact exist - and suggests that only she and almighty she has the wisdom and ability to do so....

          The 10 was an estimate of the current conversation. Maybe 12? It does not matter. I am only counting those who repeatedly post along the same lines - not others who join in every now and then. Others may have issues with you.

          Many of us have also wondered where some of the vehement posters were pulling all their super-sekrit speshul info from, what their actual connections were, why anything 20 years ago matters in the here and now etc. We have had many issues with numerous other inconsistencies and flat out nonsense that they have spewed.

          Not exactly the immense all-encompassing "cyber-mob" or "lynch mob" that needs to be vanquished - as it has been suggested most of us are in these threads.

          I still do not feel that you are helping your case in any way by continuing to engage and post here. You certainly are not helping it... as you noted when you saw some of your posts in the other threads....

          But onward and upward to a better New Year!

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          • Here’s to a better 2020 for all of us.

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            • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post

              You're in TX right?
              Are these requirements universal throughout every US city and state, or is it possible NJ has different requirements?
              No, NY

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              • [QUOTE=BigMama1;n10546931]
                Originally posted by La-LaPopRider View Post
                Originally posted by Wilbury Pie View Post
                Three things stand out to me.

                1. Why stay and not leave if one feels threatened, especially if it involved horses....

                By the time things really hit the fan we all understand why you didn’t want to leave your horses. I think what a lot of people struggle with is that it sounds like the situation devolved over the course of some time - time enough to set up security cameras / recording devices in the barn. What I think people are asking over and over is why wait for things to escalate further? The point at which you felt it necessary to make secret recordings would have already been past the point where many people would have stayed, so I think that’s what’s tough to wrap our heads around without knowing all the details.


                Did all this happen in the span of just a day or two? Or was this situation developing over the course of several weeks, as many people are assuming, which would have given you time to find alternate living arrangements for you and your horses?
                I do get why you wouldn’t understand, given the information you seem to think is accurate. Please don’t take that as rudeness.
                Out of curiosity, how many days do you feel would be sufficient time to relocate 5 horses & all your belongings? (Perhaps, it doesn’t matter what you feel is sufficient, bc, we know the answer to this already, but feel free to answer anyway.) Grown ups have more mature ways of handling disagreements than MB. All I can (literally) say is, the time span you believe things “escalated,” in, is way, way off base. And obviously, there is a lot more to the story. Again, not meant to sound abrupt.
                ????????????????????

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                • [QUOTE=La-LaPopRider;n10547042]
                  Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
                  I do get why you wouldn’t understand, given the information you seem to think is accurate. Please don’t take that as rudeness.
                  Out of curiosity, how many days do you feel would be sufficient time to relocate 5 horses & all your belongings? (Perhaps, it doesn’t matter what you feel is sufficient, bc, we know the answer to this already, but feel free to answer anyway.) Grown ups have more mature ways of handling disagreements than MB. All I can (literally) say is, the time span you believe things “escalated,” in, is way, way off base. And obviously, there is a lot more to the story. Again, not meant to sound abrupt.
                  If I was in fear for my life and being harassed, I guarantee I could find a place to move 5 horses with their tack as well as all my clothes in less time than it would take to buy surveillance equipment and install it in the barn area. As far south as this relationship appears to have disintegrated, it is hard to comprehend there was any thought of reconciliation.

                  Not trying to be rude or argumentative.

                  Here's to a New Start in a New Year for everyone.

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                  • Originally posted by rothmpp View Post

                    I've been very good at not responding since I put myself in posting timeout re: this thread last week, but regarding this bronze medal score crap:

                    I will be one of the loudest protesters to the USDF if they give in on this and award you your bronze medal. YOU HAVE NOT EARNED IT. The requirements are clearly spelled out and have not changed in years. You have not completed all of the requirements.

                    You've got plenty of money, plenty of horses, and plenty of time to go ride your "training level" one more time. (Don't even get me started on that imperialistic, snotty attitude). Hell, take your 4th level horse and ride one test at one of the shows that are available EVERY WEEK in Florida in the winter. It should be a piece of cake for such an advanced horse & rider.
                    This!! And I will go even a step further because I do think now you (Lalapoprider) caused this whole mess by not doing your due diligence....
                    you expected everybody to move you up the levels and you were not really willing to do your part... You planned to sit on a prepared horse and get your scores...You wanted everybody else to do the work and the planning....
                    you never looked at the rules..

                    . Sorry I know the sport goes this way but I think it’s very sad and in my experience trainers are never ever perfect.

                    so obviously you expected your trainer to be a unicorn and blamed him when he was not... and things escalated from there....

                    Happy New Year to everybody and a great 2020 with your horses!!! I look forward to a gorgeous clinic next week with my lovely mare and a Grand Prix rider whom I not expect to do anything but improve my riding....
                    https://www.facebook.com/Luckyacresfarm
                    https://www.facebook.com/Ulrike-Bsch...4373849955364/

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                    • Originally posted by smoofox View Post

                      YD has very much made this about her of late - and it has little to actually do with you. YD has repeatedly told us about how amazingly amazing she is for standing up to some immense "cyber mob" that does not in fact exist - and suggests that only she and almighty she has the wisdom and ability to do so....

                      The 10 was an estimate of the current conversation. Maybe 12? It does not matter. I am only counting those who repeatedly post along the same lines - not others who join in every now and then. Others may have issues with you.

                      Many of us have also wondered where some of the vehement posters were pulling all their super-sekrit speshul info from, what their actual connections were, why anything 20 years ago matters in the here and now etc. We have had many issues with numerous other inconsistencies and flat out nonsense that they have spewed.

                      Not exactly the immense all-encompassing "cyber-mob" or "lynch mob" that needs to be vanquished - as it has been suggested most of us are in these threads.

                      I still do not feel that you are helping your case in any way by continuing to engage and post here. You certainly are not helping it... as you noted when you saw some of your posts in the other threads....

                      But onward and upward to a better New Year!
                      On the one hand, GreenWithEnvy continued to think I was possibly an alter for LK, and someone else (NotGrandPrixYet?) was speculating until earlier today that I was, if not an alter for LK, then a relative. If two of the most vehement anti-LK posters still believed until the end that I was LK or a relative, how is it that you perceive that my posting was all about a self serving attention hog who is not LK? How is it possible that I am making it all about me not LK, but simultaneously still accused of being LK or a relative?
                      You mocked me for saying that I was somewhat deliberately drawing the ire of the mob to myself, and also mocked me for making the issue about myself rather than LK. How do I do both of those things simultaneously?
                      It is untrue to say that I “made much” about how “amazingly amazing” I was for standing up to the cyber mob. After repeated accusations of being an alter for LK, I felt forced to explain that my motive was not so much to be pro-LK as to push back at the mob. This happens to be the truth and I don’t care if you believe it. So mock away. Do you imagine that I find it pleasant or enjoyable to have people bash me, insult me, question my reading comprehension and go on with lame references to junk yard dogs, who apparently are mistreated unsocialized mutts?
                      You say the cyber mob is “only about 10 people”. Granted. But if 75% of posts are contributed by 12 posters (LK and YD vs 10 anti-LK people) and 20 or 30 people (including you) contribute nonpartisan posts for the other 25%, then the anti-LK group is “only” 10 posters. But given the intensity and frequency of the posts of those 10, then, yes, 10 is enough to constitute a overwhelming mob. I fail to see how another 20 or 30 people mostly on the sidelines and contributing occasional posts dilutes the onslaught of the 10 intense, super invested partisans.
                      I perceive the ratio was 10 anti LK vs two (LK and YD). Rather lopsided.
                      As just one single example, do you remember how many anti LK posters mocked and taunted her about referring to MB as a “murderer” instead of an “attempted murderer”? WTF? Seems to me that when it comes to shooting someone at point blank range, it’s the thought that counts. To slag and a mock a woman who nearly died, perhaps technically died and needed to be resuscitated, because she characterized the man who shot her as a murderer? How can you view that as anything other than sick? Those mocking posts don’t further the “discussion” one iota. It’s pure bile. That’s just one tiny example.
                      I continue to think that a cyber mob of “only” 10 people mocking and provoking the victim of attempted murder is a second victimization.
                      No, you yourself don’t contribute victimizing posts. But ten intense, really invested posters is plenty to create a horrible onslaught. Your attitude is, well, that’s just what happens in these threads. If you don’t want to push back against the haters and mudslingers, who IMO contribute precious little to the actual information in the thread, that’s your call. But you’ve condoned the mocking, the gratuitous insults, and the swapping of misinformation, misinformation often twisted to suit the viewpoint of the haters. And gone out of your way to mock me for saying it stinks and for pushing back against it.
                      Perhaps you are so established and self confident and inherently charismatic that you cannot imagine yourself as the target of a cyber mob (even of “only 10 posters”.)
                      Last edited by YankeeDuchess; Jan. 1, 2020, 12:33 PM.

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                      • As a competitor, it is always my job to know the rules. ALWAYS.

                        Any one of the trainers I've worked with can tell you if I come to them with a question, I've already gone to the rulebook and need a clarification, or it's more a "The rules say I can wear this color coat, but am I going to get a weird reaction if I actually do" type question. Or it's because I'm not finding something in the rulebook and need an idea where to look. I show the Arabian circuit, and compete both main ring as well as the sport divisions. Yes, I keep track of the rules for main ring Arabians, Dressage, Hunter/jumper, and western dressage. All necessary rulebooks are downloaded on my phone for instant reference.

                        Yes, your trainers should know the rules. However, I don't think it's unreasonable for a rule change to happen that gets missed, or something like a bit that wasn't legal being approved for use. Going for my awards, I can tell you exactly what is expected of me if I want to qualify for Arabian or USDF regionals, as well as nationals or achieve my medals. Even if my goals aren't USDF nationals, I still know what I need because it's MY job to keep track of my goals.

                        There's a level of owning your sh*t that needs to happen when you sign an entry blank.
                        Proud member of the Snort and Blow Clique

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                        • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                          ... your logic that since she was in confrontations in the past, those past scrapes influenced whatever the situation was with MB.
                          .
                          Uh, not that it means she should have been shot, but:

                          if (g) you have a history of bad behavior, and end up in a scuffle, it's not rocket science to hypothesize that (g) your bad behavior may have played some role in the crumbling of said relationship.
                          Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                          http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                          • Originally posted by YankeeDuchess View Post

                            The DA may have brought it up in the bail hearing, as part of the argument that he should be denied bail.
                            THERE
                            WAS
                            NO
                            "BAIL"
                            HEARING.
                            Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                            http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                            • This is what I take away from this whole situation. How stupid and meaningless to almost lose one's life over ... dressage.

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                              • Originally posted by IdahoRider View Post
                                Here is what I think. And it is worth exactly two cents. LK was a client of MB, a business relationship that spanned 18-24 months, roughly?

                                At some point during that business relationship, LK and her boyfriend end up training and and staying with MB in New Jersey for a period of time. All goes well.

                                At some point LK and/or her boyfriend mention that boyfriend can do remodeling/repair work on a residence on the property and offer to do the work in exchange for training/lessons. The business relationship had been problem free to that point, nothing major, so they all agree. A win-win.

                                LK and boyfriend move in. LK's horses arrive in some number between 2-5. The boyfriend starts the remodel. No worries. LK makes social media comments that all is well, MB goes about his business.

                                Then there are questions about the remodel work. It isn't up to the standard that MB had thought it would be. In fact, to prove his point her gets the fire marshal out to inspect the place and the residence that the boyfriend had been working on is deemed uninhabitable for whatever reason...perhaps, oh, wiring for instance.

                                More likely the town requires permits and inspections at particular points in construction and remodeling, and at that point the not-up-to-snuff work was noted by inspector to not-a-construction type horse trainer.


                                MB decides that the arrangement isn't working and he insists that LK start paying full price for training and lessons because the agreed on remodel is a no go. LK and boyfriend dig in and say that the remodel was a shit show because (insert whatever floats your boat here: the materials MB paid for were substandard, the boyfriend was a loser who couldn't hit a nail straight...whatever).

                                LK and boyfriend decide to charge MB what they consider fair market value for all his work on the remodel. $50,000. MB laughs and insists that they either sign a training/lesson contract that spells out what he believes they owe him or they leave. They laugh at him and say they aren't going anywhere until he pays them the $50,000. Each side digs in.

                                I am sure that they played Who Can Make A More Ridiculous 911 Call (my own opinion is that LK wins that game with the "I heard a shady person talking about killing me when I accidentally overheard the conversation at 3 a.m., but I didn't think it was important enough to say anything until the next day"). LK and boyfriend continue to use the facilities because the deal was that they get free or reduced training/lessons for the remodel and MB and his folks feel like they are being made fools of.

                                Hazarding a guess here, but I do believe that LK can be difficult to deal with and based on her behavior here, a little on the drama llama side. So I am sure that buttons were being pushed. You know...SIGN THESE PAPERS OR LEAVE!!!! NOT UNTIL YOU GIVE US OUR $50,000!!!! YOU CAN'T BE IN THE BARN AFTER 2:15 IN THE AFTERNOON!!!!! SIGN THE PAPERS! WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO KNOW WHO MB IS TRYING TO SLEEP WITH!!!! GIVE US OUR $50,000!!!!!!

                                SafeSport gets called and the children are mentioned. CPS gets involved because of that mention. Did LK mean for that to happen? Probably not. She was throwing out stuff left and right. Perhaps the SS person she spoke with explained that the conflict was a civil one and not something they would get involved with. They do stuff that is more geared towards protecting vulnerable people, like kids. Kids? Well, she says, there are kids staying in the house and they are being exposed to violence and alcoholism and who knows what else. Magic word. And so starts the train of events that leads MB to the front porch that afternoon.

                                I don't believe in coincidence. I believe that the two actions, CPS coming out and MB showing up with a gun, are connected. It is too much of a coincidence for these two events to not be connected.

                                Perhaps he took the gun to wave around and threaten them with. Perhaps he took it because she had recently said she would turn her aggressive dog on him if her turned up at their place and he wanted to have something to protect himself from the dog. Or maybe he really had been plotting to kill them both. We might never know.

                                I am sorry that someone ended up so seriously wounded. That must have been a horrible experience. That is really the only fact that we know for sure at this point. Someone was shot. And I think we can all agree that MB is the one who shot LK. And we can agree that regardless of who did what to whom before that shooting took place is not sufficient reason for anyone to be shot.

                                I now go back to lurker mode on this thread.
                                Sheilah
                                Just one small modification to this likely set of events....
                                Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

                                http://notesfromadogwalker.com/2012/...m-a-sanctuary/

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                                • That’s ridiculous that YD named me as one of the two most vehemently anti-LK posters. LOL! I point out inconsistencies is all. And there are quite a few.

                                  And YD definitely has injected her own steep slant in her posts. And injects speculation, then in subsequent posts starts repeating it as if it were fact (case in point, signing documents at gunpoint).

                                  Just so everyone knows, all along this “journey” I have not cared very much for MB, either. He shot someone. To me, he sounds manipulative and controlling on the 911 calls. But he’s not on here contradicting himself. If he were, I’d be responding to his posts as well.

                                  And LK talking about “grown up” ways to handle things. Well, frankly, the examples that have been screen-shot of LK’s social media posts prior to the shooting were hardly what I would call a grown up way of handling things.








                                  Banter whenever you want to banter....canter whenever you want to canter.

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                                  • The title of this thread has taken on a whole new meaning.....

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                                    • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post

                                      THERE
                                      WAS
                                      NO
                                      "BAIL"
                                      HEARING.
                                      Wait what? I thought that happened shortly after his arrest. That’s why he’s been sitting in jail the whole time. Bail was denied.

                                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Z8bbZ173c

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                                      • I have somewhat deliberately “directed” the ire of the cyber mob at myself in an attempt to give her a break.


                                        Originally posted by LiberalSnowflake View Post


                                        So noble.
                                        Beyond noble... creepy...😳

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                                        • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                                          Wait what? I thought that happened shortly after his arrest. That’s why he’s been sitting in jail the whole time. Bail was denied.

                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35Z8bbZ173c
                                          I forget the details or proper terms, but no, iirc, it's not bail...

                                          "Under the new law, there is no bail. The New Jersey court looks at whether or not the defendant will appear in court, the community is safe, and whether the defendant will obstruct the criminal justice process. "

                                          "By getting rid of monetary bail requirements, the New Jersey court system no longer rewards people who can pay for their bail, but who also might be dangerous or more likely to not appear at later hearings. It also allows people who cannot afford bail to be released if detaining them is not appropriate."

                                          Read this:
                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/06/n...il-system.html

                                          (ETA, bold is from the source, not my bold)
                                          Last edited by Angela Freda; Jan. 1, 2020, 12:18 PM.
                                          Yo/Yousolong April 23rd, 1985- April 15th, 2014

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