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Behind/Ahead of the rhythm at posting trot

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  • Behind/Ahead of the rhythm at posting trot

    Of course, I can't find the article right now, but today I read an article about developing more trot, and it made the comment that being behind the motion a tad would potentially flatten the trot. I'm guessing it would also make the trot less forward. So I was trying to watch some slow-motion video of myself posting to see if I was slightly behind the motion/ahead of the motion/or spot on and...I couldn't tell for sure.

    Does anyone have any resources for slow motion videos of riders adequately timing their posting or being behind or ahead of the rhythm? No instructor has ever mentioned it to me, but apparently the "off-ness" doesn't have to be a lot to affect the horse. I'm clearly posting on the correct diagonal etc, so it's not like my rhythm is awful, but I'd like to be sure I'm not working against myself or my horse!

    TIA!

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    I’ve never heard of this. I’ve been taught that slowing your posting is a way to slow down a horses rhythm, but I haven’t heard it come up as a rider error.

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      #3
      I found it - sorry what a terrible thing to just kind of leave there without the article https://dressagetoday.com/theory/lea...nne-von-dietze

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        I expect this is something that's going to be limited more by physical strength than anything.

        Most of us ammies at least could no doubt at some point end up on a horse that is trotting too big for us to elegantly post, let alone sit the trot. And when you make that transition to a bigger moving horse you do have a steep learning curve until you are comfortably with the movement, not a bit jostled or left behind. And while you are struggling you will not get your horse's best movement.

        ​​​​​​But then you also have the conundrum that dressage expects you to get the bigger trots sitting, not posting. So perhaps you will never get your horse's absolute best trot while posting?

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          I don't know, it's an interesting question. The reason I ask specifically is that my background is H/J and it could be one of many sins that I've brought over from that land. I'd like to think I'm posting with good rhythm, but my young horse can be lazy and I don't want to inhibit him in any way. I'm working on tightness in the thighs & lower back etc but if rhythm is a potential issue I'd like to get that sorted too!

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          • #6
            Interesting thing to think about. I read the article, and it gave me some food for thought, but I can't quite get the point she is trying to make. I see a lot of people over-posting, and if you get a lot of air between your butt and the saddle A) you might land late, as she describes, and B) you're more likely to really "land" which will further quash the horse's gait and back. Rhythm is important, but I think it's more important to make sure that you don't over-post, and land lightly. I'm currently rehabbing my mare, and due to being cooped up, she is quite reactive, so I've taken to just b-a-r-e-l-y posting so that my butt is never too far from home base. It still frees up her back/inside hind, which is really the point, but there is no chance that I'll "land" because there's never more than an inch of air between me and the saddle. Also, if you post small, that leaves you more time to be in the seated part of the post, which is where you can better influence the horse, and set yourself up for transitioning more easily to sitting trot.

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            • #7
              If you post as though you are riding up a steep hill, you will, if in rhythm, Lengthen the horse's stride. Assuming you are also keeping the legs on.

              If you post barely clearing the saddle you will shorten the stride, unless you have the abiity to hold the height of your post, even though it is low.

              Posting fast makes for a quicker stride, posting slow. will slow it.

              Doing all of this in sitting trot is another learning curve, after you learn to follow that horse's basic trot while sitting.
              Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

              Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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              • #8
                Yes thinking about this more. I think it works in dressage to post as minimally as you can and let the gait lift you, but with the strength that you are controlling your movements and not falling into the saddle. And at a certain point you might find you are doing something in between a post and a sitting trot.

                You don't necessarily want a huge air time duck butt exaggerated h/j post.

                I find a post that never quite sits is really useful in getting a bigger gait in a jump saddle. You are posting in half seat. But in dressage I think the opposite works, posting that is almost a sitting trot. Now the bigger the trot and the bigger the individual horses gaits the more post and the less sit you will be able to manage initially.

                Also you want to stay much more upright, not tilt at the waist posting in a dressage saddle.

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