Stallion Spotlight

BushyGeneology copy

Real Estate Spotlight

Hart_Barn 1
  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You�re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it�details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums� policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it�s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users� profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses � Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it�s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who�s selling it, it doesn�t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions � Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services � Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products � While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements � Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be �bumped� excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues � Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators� discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you�d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user�s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Bit Advice

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Bit Advice

    Hi all!
    I am need help finding a bit for my soft mouthed mare. She is normally a jumper but we are starting to dabble in more and more dressage shows. In the jumper ring/ at home she goes in a leather loose ring (which isn’t legal of course). We have tried happy mouths (too fat and too hard), nathe (too fat as well), Myler comfort snaffle (she likes it mostly but can be over reactive to it), KK Ultra (too fat) all in a variety of cheek pieces (eggbut, dee ring, loose ring). All of the ones that were too fat she was a little “dull” in - she “hears” me but tunes me out just a little. She responds but isn’t as quick about it as she could possibly be.
    The loose ring seems to work the best for our communication but she prefers the dee ring (and sometimes tunes me out just a little in the leather Dee Ring).

  • #2
    My horse goes beautiful in a bomber lock up snaffle

    Comment


    • #3
      I've had good luck with my mare with the Neue Schule bits - I started with the Verbindend and now am using a Turtle Top. They are pricey, but well designed - and there are bit rental options from Dressage Extensions and Smart Pak.
      "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

      "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by Eclipserider View Post
        My horse goes beautiful in a bomber lock up snaffle
        But is that dressage-legal?
        Janet

        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.

        Comment


        • #5
          I have mine in a Neue Schule eggbutt Bradoon. He does better in a slightly thinner bit which is why I chose that one..

          Comment


          • #6
            Just a thought, if the problem with the “fat” ones is that she’s tuning you out, but she carries them comfortably and when she does respond she responds correctly (e.g. doesn’t flip her nose up into the air), why don’t you try staying with one of those and re-schooling her to the aids so she is more attentive with the new bit?

            Comment


            • #7
              How big is her mouth, her tongue? Does she have a low palate?

              All of this (obviously) factors in to bit comfort...
              "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

              "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

              Comment


              • #8
                Abbey England makes custom bits.
                www.TheSaddleTree.com
                www.TrainingTree.net

                Comment


                • #9
                  I have 2 horses that have LOVED the Neue Schule Tranz Angled Lozenge Eggbut, and my trainer said every horse she uses it on loves it. We call it the wonder bit

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Typically, when a bit is too fat for a mouth you see a lot of bit playing or chewing, gaping, and general discomfort. If the horse is ignoring you in a thicker bit but is more responsive in a thinner bit, it may be that the thin bit is harsher on the bars rather than the horse preferring a thin bit.

                    That being said, if you are sure that a thinner bit is the right direction, Albacon makes the narrowest economical bit to my knowledge.

                    https://www.doversaddlery.com/albaco...g/p/X1-010177/

                    https://www.doversaddlery.com/albaco...r/p/X1-010149/

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I have one who had the same issue. Soft mouth and doesn't like fat bits. Tried the Neue Schule Tranz Angled Lozenge and the NS Team Up, as well as a Happy Mouth.

                      This loose ring french link is what he ended up happy in. I found that he prefers the flat mouth piece and a thinner bit. So yea, spent a fortune on high-end bits, and the cheap $22 bit off Amazon is what he is most happy in.

                      https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

                      P.S. Just saw that it's very similar to the first bit posted above! :-) I like that Albacon!
                      "Horses are too spency!" - Mom

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Another one for cheap bits. The Korsteel curved mouth eggbutt single joint works well on my mare. It's about 14mm, so a touch thicker than a Myler, but not at all bulky.

                        Comment

                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Thank you for the suggestions so far!

                          She has a very small, narrow mouth which doesn’t leave a whole lot of room for a “big” bit - with the happy mouth she could not fully close her mouth.

                          I am 100% positive this is not a training issue as some have suggested. She is light as a feather and very responsive in her leather loose ring I am just trying to find the legal equivalent (if the leather was legal I wouldn’t be asking about other bits!). She does not care for the Myler as it is too harsh despite being a simple loose ring comfort snaffle, which leads me to believe she would prefer either a non metal bit or a Mullen mouth or both (hence trying the happy mouth and Nathe).

                          I may have to try the Neue Schule bits as I’ve only heard great things about them.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Smthn_Like_Olivia View Post
                            So yea, spent a fortune on high-end bits, and the cheap $22 bit off Amazon is what he is most happy in.
                            My friend had a horse that was struggling getting used to the double and she wanted to try a set of thinner bits as his mouth is small despite being a big horse. Another friend lent her the Coronet Weymouth with a narrow diameter mouthpiece that she uses with her mare. It was recommended by a very BNT (who used it on his own horse).
                            "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kaya842 View Post
                              Thank you for the suggestions so far!

                              She has a very small, narrow mouth which doesn’t leave a whole lot of room for a “big” bit - with the happy mouth she could not fully close her mouth.

                              I am 100% positive this is not a training issue as some have suggested. She is light as a feather and very responsive in her leather loose ring I am just trying to find the legal equivalent (if the leather was legal I wouldn’t be asking about other bits!). She does not care for the Myler as it is too harsh despite being a simple loose ring comfort snaffle, which leads me to believe she would prefer either a non metal bit or a Mullen mouth or both (hence trying the happy mouth and Nathe).

                              I may have to try the Neue Schule bits as I’ve only heard great things about them.
                              One of the horses who loves the NS tranz angled bit had previously broken his upper jaw in a trailer accident, and went bridleless for quite a while and then moved to a leather bit because he couldn't tolerate any sort of metal.

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by kaya842 View Post

                                I am 100% positive this is not a training issue as some have suggested. She is light as a feather and very responsive in her leather loose ring I am just trying to find the legal equivalent (if the leather was legal I wouldn’t be asking about other bits!).
                                I wasn’t suggesting the horse had a training “issue”. The simple fact is that different bits feel different and the way they transmit the aids is going to feel different, and a horse may not automatically have the same response to one as they did another. Let’s say you had decided to switch disciplines from English to Western instead of between English disciplines. The horse is probably going to be “dull” to seat and leg cues because they are going to feel very different with a Western saddle of any kind as compared to how they felt while wearing an English saddle of any kind. It shouldn’t take long for the horse to learn how the new cues feel, though, if you go back to some basic schooling with the new tack, and there aren’t any issues where the new tack is actively uncomfortable. It’s a different story if the horse is gaping, chewing, clearly uncomfortable, but the only concern you originally described with at least some bits was that she was “dull.” That can be changed with training and doesn’t necessarily mean she has an “issue” or was poorly trained before.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by kaya842 View Post
                                  Hi all!
                                  I am need help finding a bit for my soft mouthed mare. She is normally a jumper but we are starting to dabble in more and more dressage shows. In the jumper ring/ at home she goes in a leather loose ring (which isn’t legal of course). We have tried happy mouths (too fat and too hard), nathe (too fat as well), Myler comfort snaffle (she likes it mostly but can be over reactive to it), KK Ultra (too fat) all in a variety of cheek pieces (eggbut, dee ring, loose ring). All of the ones that were too fat she was a little “dull” in - she “hears” me but tunes me out just a little. She responds but isn’t as quick about it as she could possibly be.
                                  The loose ring seems to work the best for our communication but she prefers the dee ring (and sometimes tunes me out just a little in the leather Dee Ring).
                                  Get a thinner bit! My previous mare hung on fatter bits and objected to bits that put pressure on the tongue (she had a small mouth and a large tongue) and went very well in a 14mm Sprenger double-jointed bean mouth snaffle (the old Training Snaffle that the don't make anymore). The bean was the key. Also, FOR HER, she required a longer bit because she had quite fleshy lips and really, really objected to a "properly fitting bit" that pinched her lips. Many trainers said the bit was too big for her but I knew she needed the room and the trainers eventually agreed. I showed her extensively in this bit and did many clinics with FEI peeps none mentioned the size. Measuring her mouth, she was probably at 4.5" , but this bit is 4.75.

                                  My current gelding also has a small mouth for his size and goes very well in this bit. I suspect he'd lean on a fatter bit and would object to something like a Dr Bristol unless it was oversized enough to lay on the tongue rather than press on it. He goes very well in this 14mm bit and the trainer agrees.
                                  Proud member of the Colbert Dressage Nation

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    My mare has very little room in her mouth, too. We've tried KK Ultra, Neue Schule Tranz Angled, Neue Schule Verbindend, Neue Schule Team Up, Myler (can't recall exactly which one).

                                    Someone then loaned me a Centaur EcoPure bit, which is a rubber bit but much thinner than most rubber bits. We tried both the double jointed snaffle with the lozenge and the french link. She seems to prefer the french link:

                                    https://marystack.com/ecopure-french...iABEgLE1vD_BwE

                                    Bonus is its price point!

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Janet View Post

                                      But is that dressage-legal?
                                      Yes FEI legal

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        My very soft-mouthed horse goes very well in the Lorenzini bits. They're titanium so very lightweight. (He also has a pretty small mouth for his size, and they do come in different diameters.) Not the cheapest experiment, but if you can find one to borrow, it might be worth it!

                                        ETA--I have a horse in training with me who also goes really well in this bit (egg-butt, double jointed w/ the bean). She has some bit/contact anxieties and they are definitely reduced in this bit.

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X