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Need Suggestions to Keep This Saddle in Place

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  • Need Suggestions to Keep This Saddle in Place

    So I think I finally found a saddle that my horse and I both like. It's a new Laser Trident with an adjustable tree. It's the last one they have and they no longer will be making this model. It has a swing billet that swings close to the seat (higher than most) and the front bill it is behind the point. It is not anchored so it swings freely. The billets are 2 to 3" apart, so close together. It has short swallowtail points and my horse and I really like it except that as I ride a goes forward on to her shoulders. I've tried lots of different girths and a Nunn Finer shaped non-slip pad between the horse and her LeMieux full dressage square which is 1/2 lined with sheepskin. Any other suggestions? The saddle is a very very good price and both the horse and I really really like it. Finally something we both like. I am open to suggestions. I'd really rather not go the crupper route.
    Girths I've tried:
    LeTixerant (old style)
    H Girth (found a beautiful used one!)
    Ovations crescent with gel center
    Laser girth
    Schleese softer shaped girth
    Total Saddle fit (synthetic, regular and stretch tech)
    Elastic end Thornhill fleece

    She likes the fleece and crescent the best. Synthetics without hard edges. She doesn't like wider leather girths with stiff edges. Any other suggestions?
    Billet configuration.

  • #2
    Like everything tack wise, you'll get a lot of different suggestions. Mine is the gel-eze pad. I have been unfortunate enough to have a couple horses with low withers and a forward girth groove. This pad definitely works. I have never had a girth solve this problem, but I do use an anatomical girth.

    https://www.amazon.com/Gel-Eze-Non-S...23462950&psc=1

    By the way, I have test ridden in that Trident and I loved the saddle. My only problem with it was that is tended to be a bit wide for my body and my groin hurt. Otherwise, a really nice saddle.

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    • #3
      Two things to try. First, please check the tree width. A lot of times a saddle shifting forward means it’s too narrow. If you’re sure it fits, then look at the billet placement. You want to see the billets lined up with the girth groove. If they are too far back, this can pull the saddle forward. I’ve had success with an anatomical girth like a County Logic to fix this.

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      • #4
        The front billet looks kind of far back. I would ask about moving it forward, or if a point billet can be installed.

        For nonslip, the Cavallo half pad that is like a gel, is quite sticky and should help, along with an anatomical girth.

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          #5
          Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
          Like everything tack wise, you'll get a lot of different suggestions. Mine is the gel-eze pad. I have been unfortunate enough to have a couple horses with low withers and a forward girth groove. This pad definitely works. I have never had a girth solve this problem, but I do use an anatomical girth.

          https://www.amazon.com/Gel-Eze-Non-S...23462950&psc=1

          By the way, I have test ridden in that Trident and I loved the saddle. My only problem with it was that is tended to be a bit wide for my body and my groin hurt. Otherwise, a really nice saddle.
          I think my local amish tack shop may have this. Thanks!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Maude View Post

            I think my local amish tack shop may have this. Thanks!
            Maude, it goes on top of the saddle pad. The only negative is that the back gets more sweaty. Also, in a cold tackroom, you may want to warm it a bit so as not to put something cold on your horse's back. I've bought mine through amazon. Also to add, this is not a thick thing, so doesn't unstablize the saddle like some pads do.

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              #7
              Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post

              Maude, it goes on top of the saddle pad. The only negative is that the back gets more sweaty. Also, in a cold tackroom, you may want to warm it a bit so as not to put something cold on your horse's back. I've bought mine through amazon. Also to add, this is not a thick thing, so doesn't unstablize the saddle like some pads do.
              So I can't put this against my horse's back? The pad itself stays in place. It's the whole saddle with the pad that moves forward

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Maude View Post

                So I can't put this against my horse's back? The pad itself stays in place. It's the whole saddle with the pad that moves forward
                No, not against the horse's back. Some pads you do this with, but not this one. I understand you might be skeptical, but if this pad doesn't work, nothing will. I'm dead set of it. Yes, I know. My whole saddle with pad slid foward as well. BTDT. The kind of saddle pad you use makes a difference. Some are more slippery than others.

                Now it is true what Outerbanks wrote about your saddle not having a point billet. I hate them because they do put torque on the withers. But for horses like ours, they are a necessary evil usually.

                I'll try to get a pic of it on my horse tomorrow if you haven't already bought one.

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                • #9
                  If you've tried all that stuff with no success, the saddle doesn't fit.

                  Sometimes horses respond positively to a different saddle simply because its a change. If you wear shoes that are too tight for a long time and you have a terrible rub on your little toe, switching to a pair of shoes that are 3 sizes too big is going to feel great.... at first. But then the oversized shoes are going to start rubbing something else, like your ankle maybe. So we cannot always trust the horse's feedback, although I imagine that something about this saddle is working for her. You have to figure out what specifically about this saddle is good (panels, tree point, billet system, etc) and find a better fitting one with this feature.

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                  • #10
                    The rubbery mesh underpad for carpets can be used to keep the saddle from slipping on the pad.Not sure I'd want to put it on the horses back.
                    And yes..perhaps this saddle does not fit....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mallard View Post
                      The rubbery mesh underpad for carpets can be used to keep the saddle from slipping on the pad.Not sure I'd want to put it on the horses back.
                      And yes..perhaps this saddle does not fit....
                      Success equestrian makes a pad that has that rubbery grabby shelf liner ish stuff on the bottom and it is super.


                      https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/su...SABEgI9QvD_BwE

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Can'tFindMyWhip View Post
                        If you've tried all that stuff with no success, the saddle doesn't fit.

                        Sometimes horses respond positively to a different saddle simply because its a change. If you wear shoes that are too tight for a long time and you have a terrible rub on your little toe, switching to a pair of shoes that are 3 sizes too big is going to feel great.... at first. But then the oversized shoes are going to start rubbing something else, like your ankle maybe. So we cannot always trust the horse's feedback, although I imagine that something about this saddle is working for her. You have to figure out what specifically about this saddle is good (panels, tree point, billet system, etc) and find a better fitting one with this feature.
                        I have tried tons of saddles. Tons of them and have the same problem with every single saddle

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Maude View Post

                          I have tried tons of saddles. Tons of them and have the same problem with every single saddle
                          Are you working with a professional saddle fitter? Not a vet, not a trainer, not a friend who knows a lot about saddles. A professional saddle fitter.

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                          • #14
                            Are you trying saddles built with gusseted panels? If so, your horse's back may need upswept panels instead. Long, wide, gusseted panels are designed to increase the weight-bearing area but they don't work for every horse. In particular, the short-ish back with a rise from back to loin often shoves these saddles forward as the haunches work and muscles flex.

                            I agree with those who say this saddle is not the right fit. If you make it stay where it doesn't want to, it will likely make your horse sore in fairly short order.
                            Patience pays.

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                            • #15
                              FWIW my new saddle was riding up my horses shoulders a bit too. He's round barreled but narrow through the shoulders--so even though he is crazy uphill, the saddle would move. Girths don't make a difference. The success saddle pad linked above (which my fitter had and let me borrow) helped a little. The only thing that fixed the issue was a point billet. I have an amazing fitter and this saddle is perfect for the horse--so this issue does NOT mean necessarily that your saddle doesn't fit. Only your (good, certified) saddle fitter can assess that.
                              From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Manahmanah View Post

                                Success equestrian makes a pad that has that rubbery grabby shelf liner ish stuff on the bottom and it is super.


                                https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/su...SABEgI9QvD_BwE
                                Yes it works, but oil and dirt get imbedded in it and it's not easy to clean.

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                                • #17
                                  What happens if you use a thin pad? It sounds like it’s too narrow but maybe you just don’t need the wool pad.

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                                  • #18
                                    What does the back of the panel look like on the saddle? Is it more gusseted or up-swept? If it is gusseted, that could very well be contributing to the saddle coming forward depending on your horse's back shape. Gusseted rear panels are excellent for a low back or a back tending towards being "swayed" (even if the horse doesn't have excessive lordosis). They can also work nicely for those with very flat backs, provided they are flocked appropriately - usually the flocking is left quite soft (less filled) at the very back to minimize any tendency to be pushed forward.

                                    If the horse has any downhill curve to the back - not meaning that the horse itself has a downhill build, simply that the area where the saddle sits slopes down toward the wither - a gusseted rear panel will be VERY challenging to use and generally will not work.

                                    If everything else about the saddle is good for you and your horse, you can look into having the panel changed at the back. I've known folks who have had this done, and some brands offer panel adjustments like this as a service.

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