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PSA - SH Productions Clinics (Laura Graves) Cancelled

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  • SolarFlare
    started a topic PSA - SH Productions Clinics (Laura Graves) Cancelled

    PSA - SH Productions Clinics (Laura Graves) Cancelled

    The Laura Graves clinics (in Canada), organized by SH Productions, have been cancelled "due to mismanagement of funds and unfulfilled contractual obligations on the part of SH Productions".

    http://dressage-news.com/2019/09/08/...Y02WYdYxdl-6Ik

    Heads up as this company also has an upcoming Isabell Werth clinic in Magnolia, Texas in October (no word on its status).

    I believe this particular organizer has been the subject of previous threads with people unsatisfied with previous clinics and his dressage shows?

  • Silverbridge
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    Originally posted by Peggy View Post

    As of yesterday the only dressage show on the USEF calendar in Temecula was the SD CDS chapter one. But I realize that USEF isn’t FEI.
    The only one I saw on USDF's calendar in Temecula is one next July 11-12 called the July Jubilee.

    The AWCDF November shows are still shown on the calendar but it also says "Canceled" very clearly. Actually, it says "Cancelled" so maybe they were canceled out of Canada or the UK.

    The Spring shows Scott planned in Temecula aren't even appearing on the USDF calendar at this point. It must not marry to USEF's calendar.

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  • Peggy
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    Originally posted by NJRider View Post
    I asked Dressage News if they planned on a follow up story on SH, here was his reply "Two CDIs at Temecula are on the FEI calendar for 2020. If you have questions about management of shows, suggest address them to USEF."
    As of yesterday the only dressage show on the USEF calendar in Temecula was the SD CDS chapter one. But I realize that USEF isn’t FEI.

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  • NJRider
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    I asked Dressage News if they planned on a follow up story on SH, here was his reply "Two CDIs at Temecula are on the FEI calendar for 2020. If you have questions about management of shows, suggest address them to USEF."

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  • Wanderosa
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    Is $140 a normal price for an auditor ticket? That seems insane. Rutledge Farm's Master Series pulls in clinicians of that ilk and you can buy a season-long auditor pass for around $90. The riders pay a higher fee to participate than most places charge. I thought it was ridiculous until we went to the Peter Wylde clinic. Having watched that clinic I now think its a value add for the auditors because you're watching riders who have the skill to fully effect the clinician's instructions.

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  • rothmpp
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    I can't believe the FEI approved multiple dates for a manager who had never run even a USEF rated show.

    Dressage shows are renouned for not being big money-makers, especially if you don't have the contacts and infrastructure in place.

    CDIs are even more of a financial drain, with the expense involved in the expanded judging panel and necessary officials and support staff (secured stabling that needs at minimum 24/7 access point staffing is just one position that comes to mind).

    While I think SH massively overestimated his ability to run a show - I also think he was set up to fail giving him multiple dates with CDIs with no experience running shows at all.

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  • FlaxenChestnut
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    https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...er-two-seasons

    Some interesting info here.

    From the article:

    “The decision to discontinue the 2019 license for the West Coast Dressage Festival was the result of the organizer’s failure to satisfy conditions agreed to by the parties,” said Bill Moroney, CEO of the U.S. Equestrian Federation. “We are actively working with organizers in the region who have expressed interest in obtaining new competition licenses, and we will continue to support efforts made to offer CDI competition on the West Coast in 2020.”

    ”SH Productions is now on indefinite hiatus as well.”

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  • Mardi
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    Originally posted by rothmpp View Post

    the sandiest shoes did you report the lack of a refund to the USEF? I would. They had approval over his prize list. While I don't know if they would make you whole, and now that he is not running shows, they have no way to pressure him, they should have it on file for him if he ever applies for USEF rated dates in the future that he does not abide by the terms of his prize list that they approved.
    Agree that USEF needs to know. There is a rule about refunding with 30 days. As for abiding by the terms of the USEF approved prize list, it's been my experience that USEF will not stand by their approval and will simply refer people back to show management. In my case the show accepted entries and ran a class as a USEF (then AHSA) championship that didn't exist.

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  • atlatl
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    Rumor has is that none of Mr. Hayes' shows will be held in the future.

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  • the sandiest shoes
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    Originally posted by rothmpp View Post
    This is not even remotely surprising. I know someone who was one of his vendors who had an incredibly difficult time getting paid.

    the sandiest shoes did you report the lack of a refund to the USEF? I would. They had approval over his prize list. While I don't know if they would make you whole, and now that he is not running shows, they have no way to pressure him, they should have it on file for him if he ever applies for USEF rated dates in the future that he does not abide by the terms of his prize list that they approved.
    this is a great idea that I didn't think of - thanks

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  • Isabeau Z Solace
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    Fyre Festival Syndrome

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  • Peggy
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    The only dressage show listed for the Galway venue is a CDS San Diego chapter show in the fall.

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  • rothmpp
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    This is not even remotely surprising. I know someone who was one of his vendors who had an incredibly difficult time getting paid.

    the sandiest shoes did you report the lack of a refund to the USEF? I would. They had approval over his prize list. While I don't know if they would make you whole, and now that he is not running shows, they have no way to pressure him, they should have it on file for him if he ever applies for USEF rated dates in the future that he does not abide by the terms of his prize list that they approved.

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  • Joanne
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    Did SH Productions take the money and run?

    From Aspire to Inspire:

    "Thank you for the support of 5 years of educational events. Please continue to support equestrian events in the future in your local area."

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  • MissAriel
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    Originally posted by ace** View Post
    Did anyone here receive a refund for tickets purchased for the cancelled Laura Graves clinic in Calgary? My sister was told over the phone and facebook messenger that she would get a refund and never did. Now the facebook page is gone and his website has no contact information anymore. Thinking we are out our money!! Did all of his other planned events on the US West Coast this fall get cancelled as well?
    The website just has this posted "THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST IN THE WEST COAST DRESSAGE FESTIVAL. WE WILL NOT BE MOVING FORWARD WITH DATES AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR EVENTS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS."

    When it was first announced that they were cancelled, there was some mention of hosting one show at a different location, but haven't heard anything about it since.

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  • the sandiest shoes
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    Originally posted by ace** View Post
    Did anyone here receive a refund for tickets purchased for the cancelled Laura Graves clinic in Calgary? My sister was told over the phone and facebook messenger that she would get a refund and never did. Now the facebook page is gone and his website has no contact information anymore. Thinking we are out our money!! Did all of his other planned events on the US West Coast this fall get cancelled as well?
    I gave up trying to get the refund money I was promised for a West Coast show from this dude. I have a paper trail of a promised refund, a scratch made in time, the rules of the show, etc., but ghosted. It's not worth my time to chase him further, but you could try (if you're in Canada, at least the jurisdiction might help for a small claims matter).

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  • ace**
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    Did anyone here receive a refund for tickets purchased for the cancelled Laura Graves clinic in Calgary? My sister was told over the phone and facebook messenger that she would get a refund and never did. Now the facebook page is gone and his website has no contact information anymore. Thinking we are out our money!! Did all of his other planned events on the US West Coast this fall get cancelled as well?

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  • TequilaMockingbird
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    I went to the CD clinic in Texas. I enjoyed it but the people who paid for the VIP section paid a ridiculous amount compared to what they got. I'm glad I didn't pay for VIP.

    I wasn't planning on attending to IW clinic in a few weeks. Part of the reason was the astronomical expense. It's $125/day or $225 for the whole clinic to audit. There are plenty of high level trainers that come to this area that I can audit for practically nothing, sometimes even for free.

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  • skydy
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    His letter makes it clear that he expects casualness and forgiveness from the people that he hasn't paid.

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  • atlatl
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    Originally posted by mvp View Post

    ...

    In terms of the quality of the events Hayes had offered and tried to deliver, he did not start at the bottom. But when he made mistakes or needed help, he wanted a level of casualness or forgiveness that I don't think his paying audience was prepared to give.
    Very well said!

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