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Charlotte du Jardin Eliminated for Blood on Spur at Rotterdam

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  • Charlotte du Jardin Eliminated for Blood on Spur at Rotterdam

    CDJ and Mt St John Freestyle eliminated at Rotterdam for blood on spur, dropping Team GBR to 4th. Both she, her owners and Equestrian Team GBR have made a statement ...

  • #2
    Sad for her, but I appreciate the sport taking the rules seriously even when they need to be used against one of the most respected riders.

    It truly can happen to anyone. I got stopped for a spur rub after an amateur PSG once. Rub was so far back, I must have just caught a wrinkle of skin wrong in the changes. Felt like the worst person ever.

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    • #3
      Agreed, can't think of anyone in the sport who is less likely to actually abuse a horse. Her or Carl.
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      • #4
        May I just say how refreshing it is to see an appropriate response under the circumstances from the rider and her connections? No excuses, no whining, no threats of appeals or repercussions. What a novel concept.

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        • #5
          Agreed, MHM. I'm also glad to see that the responses here are not bashing Charlotte for this happening. It can happen to anyone. I remember when the same thing happened to Steffen Peters several years ago on Legolas. You could tell he was terribly hurt by what had happened but also stood by the decision.

          What is strange to me, is how many horses were eliminated in Rotterdam. I read that a total of 4 were eliminated for either lameness or blood.
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          • #6
            I think it is also worth noting the blood was not on the spur, but on the flank. It was likely from the spur, but being that CDJ has some of the quietest legs in dressage, I think it is also possible that it is a bug bite.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Blkarab View Post
              Agreed, MHM. I'm also glad to see that the responses here are not bashing Charlotte for this happening. It can happen to anyone. I remember when the same thing happened to Steffen Peters several years ago on Legolas. You could tell he was terribly hurt by what had happened but also stood by the decision.

              What is strange to me, is how many horses were eliminated in Rotterdam. I read that a total of 4 were eliminated for either lameness or blood.
              Yes, a similar thing happened to Steffen and both he and his connections were disappointed, but accepting of the ruling. Both SP and CDJ handled the situation well, and I applaud their responses, but they are both quite accomplished professionals and can put a single performance into perspective. That might be harder to do if you are on the bubble and this was your one big shot and this happened.

              According to Horse and Hound the other rider eliminated for blood had his horse spook pretty badly during the test, and presumably the horse bit his tongue during the spook or during the recovery from the spook. A judge noticed blood on the mouth shortly after and rung them out. Again, not indicative of abuse, but sticking to the letter of the law - as they should.

              The others eliminated for lameness seem a bit odd to me - haven't heard of that happening before.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by MissAriel View Post

                Yes, a similar thing happened to Steffen and both he and his connections were disappointed, but accepting of the ruling. Both SP and CDJ handled the situation well, and I applaud their responses, but they are both quite accomplished professionals and can put a single performance into perspective. That might be harder to do if you are on the bubble and this was your one big shot and this happened.

                According to Eurodressage the other rider eliminated for blood had his horse spook pretty badly during the test, and it presumably he bit his tongue during the spook or during the recovery from the spook. A judge noticed blood on the mouth shortly after and rung them out. Again, not indicative of abuse, but sticking to the letter of the law - as they should.

                The others eliminated for lameness seem a bit odd to me - haven't heard of that happening before.
                Totally agree. I didn't see the reports surrounding the circumstances of the other blood issue, but that makes perfect sense. Heck...I've had my training level mare bite her tongue before during a spook. It totally happens.

                Yes...the blood rule is pretty cut and dried. If there is blood...you're out. Doesn't matter the cause.
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                • #9
                  I was watching the FEI TV livestream the first day and saw the other one. The horse reared and did a 180 when he saw something outside the ring. Obviously bit himself somewhere in the mouth/lip in the process. The pink color was visible in the foam by the time he made it to the other end of the ring and he was eliminated. Definitely not an abusive riding issue, just bad luck.

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                  • #10
                    Such a shame. Even more of a shame is the animal welfare warriors in Facebook ranting about how cruel and barbaric her spurs are. Sigh.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
                      Such a shame. Even more of a shame is the animal welfare warriors in Facebook ranting about how cruel and barbaric her spurs are. Sigh.
                      Saw that too. So many just have no clue what they're carrying on about.
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                      • #12
                        Another who admires her response, and the actions of the Stewards. No one is above the rules, it is really sad, a “there but fir the grace of God event.
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                        • #13
                          Does anyone know if this means that Charlotte will not be competing in the GP Special and Freestyle?

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                          • #14
                            It happens, wasn’t intentional and they accepted the ruling with class and grace.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Orangetrout View Post
                              Does anyone know if this means that Charlotte will not be competing in the GP Special and Freestyle?
                              Yes she’ll be eliminated for the rest of the show

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                              • #16
                                Oh what a huge bummer. I'm going to the Freestyle and was looking forward to seeing her most of all.

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                                • #17
                                  Just this morning I was watching the Noelle Floyd video feature with Charlotte and MSJ Freestyle. She clearly adores this mare... such a shame! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMSTQ0IkLrs
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                                  • #18
                                    I'm gutted for her, but as always Charlotte and Carl make me proud to ride dressage and set a standard for graciousness and fair play as competitors.
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                                    • #19
                                      At the risk of getting beat up... I have to ask.

                                      I have a few sets of spurs (my English ones are small nubs and my western are rowels). My spurs are pretty small but I am confident in the use of them although I will admit that I have had the accidental "goose".

                                      I know that in dressage the leg movement is actually a lot on the lower end and there is a lot of spurring but from watching the videos this women did not appear to be doing anything that would cause the horse to bleed. I saw the pictures.

                                      Now - I'm a very gentle spur user and I don't use them daily. I mostly use them for show. I HAVE seen horses with bloody sides (usually being ridden by trainers when I see it - different world though - Not ok - just stating that it's not the dressage world I have seen it in).

                                      SO my question is... When people use the spurs daily I would have ASSUMED that the horse would become calloused and actually thicker skinned at that point. Obviously that is not the case, so what is actually happening with the spurs to cause them to bleed like that?

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                                      • #20
                                        Appropriate response.

                                        Now maybe nosebands can be loosened and the hyperflexion/rollkur/LDR/Deep stretching crap many competitors do can stop too.

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