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  • Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post

    I've actually seen it on a few people's posts.
    I've seen it as well. I find it annoying but figured it was some weird formatting error on whatever device they are using.
    "Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple Barry Switzer

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    • I was just reading up on plea deals and saw that 95% of all criminal cases are settled by negotiating a plea. So very few go to trial and if that's the case here, we may never hear all the details about evidence in this case.

      And according to what I read, most attorneys try to persuade their accused client to take a plea. Interesting to read the behind the scenes details about this. Attorneys say cases where there's a plea deal are easy money vs. going to trial
      which is loads of time and work and most criminal defendants don't have the money for a trial.

      "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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      • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
        So many people on this thread still think they know who is the better person based on what they have seen on Facebook and at horseshows and with their rather basic internet sleuthing. Rather ridiculous.

        I will be following this trial closely, I think a lot of posters will be in for a surprise when they hear the details of the actions over time from MB.

        It is clear both parties have acted like fools in the past but none and I mean absolutely NONE of that means the victim here has brought this on herself. Shame on anyone who thinks that.
        LK subjected MB to sustained harassment and psychological abuse. If you beat a dog long enough, dont act surprised when it eventually bites you.

        The poster who told the whole story in a gender swap was absolutely right. If a man was harassing a woman, calling ICE on her, living in her home and refusing to leave, threatening her family, jeopardizing her livelihood, calling dyfus, screaming "I'm going to destroy you" outside her bedroom window, and god knows what else... there would be outpourings of sympathy for her.

        would I have shot her? Probably not. I will tell you though for sure, if some woman did that to my husband she would have gotten one or more brutal ass beatings (by me) long ago.

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        • Originally posted by Manahmanah View Post

          I will tell you though for sure, if some woman did that to my husband she would have gotten one or more brutal ass beatings (by me) long ago.
          Then you would rightfully be in jail too.
          From now on, ponyfixer, i'll include foot note references.

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          • Originally posted by HDuckie View Post

            Or perhaps some people know her, have trainers who’ve dealt with her, have friends who have known her, or have been a target of her harassment and bullying in real life. I’ve yet to meet someone who has met her in real life who is defending her- excluding a close circle of friends and family. Dozens of people I’ve talked to in our local riding community have repeated the same stories of being scared of her, her trying to sue them, her refusing to leave their property, her showing up in the middle of the night in a manic state, her making threats and harassing clients.
            Just saying..
            And yet none of that is a valid reason to SHOOT somebody.

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            • Originally posted by Manahmanah View Post

              LK subjected MB to sustained harassment and psychological abuse. If you beat a dog long enough, dont act surprised when it eventually bites you.

              The poster who told the whole story in a gender swap was absolutely right. If a man was harassing a woman, calling ICE on her, living in her home and refusing to leave, threatening her family, jeopardizing her livelihood, calling dyfus, screaming "I'm going to destroy you" outside her bedroom window, and god knows what else... there would be outpourings of sympathy for her.

              would I have shot her? Probably not. I will tell you though for sure, if some woman did that to my husband she would have gotten one or more brutal ass beatings (by me) long ago.
              Sure. Because violence would resolve the issue. ‘Murica.

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              • Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post

                And yet none of that is a valid reason to SHOOT somebody.
                Also are some ignoring that he tried to shoot the BF too? Although some say the BF has a sketchy past, was the BF harrassing MB too? Keep in mind, MB didn't just shoot, he shot to kill. In fact, as he was being taken away speaking those "i had a good life" words, he may have thought he did kill her and was going away for life for murder 1. I'm pretty surprised at the hatred for this victim and how it seems to take focus away from the horrible thing MB did. I suspect he will plead out and get 10 years and be out in 5. I think he should get 20.

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                • Originally posted by mswillie View Post

                  I've seen it as well. I find it annoying but figured it was some weird formatting error on whatever device they are using.
                  That's what I assumed, considering I'm using a new device and that it might be just at my end. Though the poster I quoted is the only one I notice this happening to, so that seemed odd.

                  Then again, using this touch screen to type, I'm constantly having to fix typos and autocorrect and weird randomness... for example, when I hit the arrow that goes to a new line, or place a period at the end if a sentence, my next character for some reason doesn't automatically get capitalized. So annoying!
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                  • Originally posted by HDuckie View Post

                    Or perhaps some people know her, have trainers who’ve dealt with her, have friends who have known her, or have been a target of her harassment and bullying in real life. I’ve yet to meet someone who has met her in real life who is defending her- excluding a close circle of friends and family. Dozens of people I’ve talked to in our local riding community have repeated the same stories of being scared of her, her trying to sue them, her refusing to leave their property, her showing up in the middle of the night in a manic state, her making threats and harassing clients.
                    Just saying..
                    Thank you for real information. I have to admit that her behavior is kind of fascinating in a sick way (e.g, I love Mommie Dearest, Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, and Cops.) Unfortunately, while her shabby background might convey some sympathy for MB, it also provides a pretty solid motive of intent to kill (imho).

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                    • So what happens next? I tried to watch the video but the sound was not good; I couldn't hear everything.

                      Is there another court date? Did MB give a not guilty plea or is that done at a later date?

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                      • Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                        Also are some ignoring that he tried to shoot the BF too? Although some say the BF has a sketchy past, was the BF harrassing MB too? Keep in mind, MB didn't just shoot, he shot to kill. In fact, as he was being taken away speaking those "i had a good life" words, he may have thought he did kill her and was going away for life for murder 1. I'm pretty surprised at the hatred for this victim and how it seems to take focus away from the horrible thing MB did. I suspect he will plead out and get 10 years and be out in 5. I think he should get 20.
                        A few things working against MB IF he went to trial- He took a gun with him to confront both which shows intent/planning.
                        Also he shot her not once but twice, again showing intent to kill, and where he shot her in the upper chest vs in a limb or lower torso also shows intent to kill. He went there intent on killing her. This seems like a slam dunk to me.

                        But if he pleads, he supposedly has no recent criminal record, and would have to plead guilty probably to a lesser crime and he most likely will have some jail time. How much is anyone's guess. My understanding the state atty. discusses this
                        with the arresting LE and the victims before suggesting the plea.

                        I haven't seen an arraignment announced so don't know when that will be.
                        "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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                        • Originally posted by Joanne View Post
                          So what happens next? I tried to watch the video but the sound was not good; I couldn't hear everything.

                          Is there another court date? Did MB give a not guilty plea or is that done at a later date?
                          The hearing was a detention hearing to determine if he would get bond. He did not and must stay in jail til his case is heard.
                          We are waiting to hear of his arraignment hearing at which time he'll plead guilty or not guilty unless a plea negotiation is
                          done in the mean time.
                          "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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                          • Originally posted by Marla 100 View Post

                            A few things working against MB IF he went to trial- He took a gun with him to confront both which shows intent/planning.
                            Also he shot her not once but twice, again showing into to kill, and where he shot her in the upper chest vs in a limb or lower torso also shows intent to kill. He went there intent on killing her. This seems like a slam dunk to me.

                            But if he pleads, he supposedly has no recent criminal record, and would have to plead guilty probably to a lesser crime and he most likely will have some jail time. How much is anyone's guess. My understanding the state atty. discusses this
                            with the arresting LE and the victims before suggesting the plea.

                            I haven't seen an arraignment announced so don't know when that will be.
                            I'm not defending MB - but how do you know he didn't take the gun because they'd threatened him and he wanted to defend himself? Did I miss something? Maybe he shot her in the chest/lung because that was the biggest, closest target? If he'd shot her in the head, it would have had a greater chance of killing her - but was he really a marksman? The significance of his "I had a good life..." recitations were taken by the judge to suggest MB was at the end of his rope, but who knows what was in MB's mind? I like facts and I don't know that we know much of anything for sure.

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                            • I admit I feel bad for him. Of course he shouldn't have shot her or shot at the BF (if that happened). But everyone has a tipping point. The combination of being constantly harassed in increasingly ugly ways/US gun culture/a character defect led to a horrible incident. It was a "perfect storm" . Otherwise he probably would have continued on through life as a flawed but successful horse trainer.

                              It would make for a compelling psychological thriller.

                              ETA: Perhaps it is more a modern Shakespearean tragedy.
                              Last edited by kcmel; Aug. 16, 2019, 05:52 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                                Also are some ignoring that he tried to shoot the BF too? Although some say the BF has a sketchy past, was the BF harrassing MB too? Keep in mind, MB didn't just shoot, he shot to kill. In fact, as he was being taken away speaking those "i had a good life" words, he may have thought he did kill her and was going away for life for murder 1. I'm pretty surprised at the hatred for this victim and how it seems to take focus away from the horrible thing MB did. I suspect he will plead out and get 10 years and be out in 5. I think he should get 20.
                                Even if you have excellent training, it's a movie lie that people "shoot to wound" Anyone with any sort of weapons training is taught to shoot center mass because it's real easily to miss an arm or a leg. He was probably fairly close if he was untrained to get those two center mass shots because usually with the adrenaline people miss by a mile.
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                                • Originally posted by MeisterMagnolia View Post

                                  I'm not defending MB - but how do you know he didn't take the gun because they'd threatened him and he wanted to defend himself? Did I miss something? Maybe he shot her in the chest/lung because that was the biggest, closest target? If he'd shot her in the head, it would have had a greater chance of killing her - but was he really a marksman? The significance of his "I had a good life..." recitations were taken by the judge to suggest MB was at the end of his rope, but who knows what was in MB's mind? I like facts and I don't know that we know much of anything for sure.
                                  If someone had threatened me and I was fearful they would hurt me- I would not get in my truck and drive to their residence to confront them in person- If I needed to communicate with them I would pick up my phone and call them.

                                  But the way it looks, MB went there to confront her/them and with a gun and shot her twice in the chest. If he were fearful before he shot her, he would have retreated, got back in his truck and left. Or never have gone in person at all.

                                  In the eyes of the law chest shots are meant to be lethal. Two shots guaranteed lethal (in the shooters mind).

                                  Again, MB grabbed his gun, got in his truck and went to them. He was intent on causing serious bodily harm in the eyes of the law.

                                  just my opinion.
                                  "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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                                  • Originally posted by Marla 100 View Post

                                    If someone had threatened me and I was fearful they would hurt me- I would not get in my truck and drive to their residence to confront them in person- If I needed to communicate with them I would pick up my phone and call them.

                                    Interesting idea. You don't seem to apply that same "I'm fearful, I should get away from this person" to LK. Why not?

                                    But the way it looks, ** MB went there to confront her/them and **with a gun and shot her twice in the chest. If he were fearful before he shot her, he would have retreated, got back in his truck and left. Boyfriend stopped him ? Or never have gone in person at all.

                                    In the eyes of the law chest shots are meant to be lethal. Two shots guaranteed lethal (in the shooters mind).

                                    Again, **MB grabbed his gun, got in his truck and went to them. He was **intent on causing serious bodily harm in the eyes of the law.

                                    just my opinion.
                                    ** your opinion, we don't know any of these asterisk items for certain.
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                                    • Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                                      Keep in mind, MB didn't just shoot, he shot to kill.
                                      You know this how, exactly? The people who have posted on this thread who say they know something about guns seem to be surprised that she is still alive with two 9 mm gun shots in her.

                                      I don’t know much of anything about guns myself, but I would think if someone was trying to kill another person at close range with a serious handgun, the other person would be dead.

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                                      • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post

                                        ** your opinion, we don't know any of these asterisk items for certain.
                                        MB is the accused attempted murderer. LK is the injured victim. I'm only looking at the confrontation from his perspective because HE took the actions to perpetrate this crime.

                                        You folks can deny, deny all you want , LE and the state's attorney believe MB is the criminal here and LK is a victim.
                                        You can fret and fuss cause you don't like the victim but it doesn't excuse the charges of the esteemed trainer. He
                                        was fallible. If she committed any crimes against him, she may be charged but I haven't heard about any charges
                                        against her or her bf. Like it or not, MB was the perp here.

                                        "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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                                        • Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                          You know this how, exactly? The people who have posted on this thread who say they know something about guns seem to be surprised that she is still alive with two 9 mm gun shots in her.

                                          I don’t know much of anything about guns myself, but I would think if someone was trying to kill another person at close range with a serious handgun, the other person would be dead.
                                          Again, in the eyes of the law, gunhshot wounds to the upper chest are assumed to be meant to kill. Look it up.
                                          Especially close up shots, which these apparently were.
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