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Woman Shot at Barisone Farm

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  • I personally know that safesport was contacted about LK's online behavior and bullying over a year ago! If they had done something then, like a suspension, maybe this never would have happened.
    Just sayin.

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    • There is nothing really new in here other than he is no longer in the hospital and is in jail. It also talks about Wed. arraignment.

      https://www.nj.com/morris/2019/08/us...wednesday.html

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      • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

        I think people are reacting to the specifics of the speculation. A lot of it revolves around she must have did something, you don’t know her, she’s a horrible person etc etc. People didn’t say those exact words but the speculation could be read that way.

        With regards to the pink gun, again veiled statements about things straight vs gay men would have and that it probably was the victims. Maybe it was his girlfriends. Who knows.

        Regardless the speculation about how it got to the point of a shooting and who’s gun it was comes off as an attempt to say the victim deserves it without actually saying that.
        Sorry if that was the interpretation with my comment. It was just an observation that a gun with pink (detailing?) would be less likely to belong to a man regardless of orientation, at least in NA. No one deserves to get shot, no one. Between the ranting on LK's fb prior to privacy setting changes and the end result, its a messy situation all around. Occam's razor often gets dulled by the horse world.
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        • Originally posted by Marla 100 View Post

          Did she ever name him in her complaints? I don't recall seeing that she did. Apparently she said positive things until problems started and then the criticisms became anonymous.
          No, her accusatory postings never named the perpetrator, but it seemed pretty transparent who she was talking about.

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          • Originally posted by Synthesis View Post

            Sorry if that was the interpretation with my comment. It was just an observation that a gun with pink (detailing?) would be less likely to belong to a man regardless of orientation, at least in NA. No one deserves to get shot, no one. Between the ranting on LK's fb prior to privacy setting changes and the end result, its a messy situation all around. Occam's razor often gets dulled by the horse world.
            I agree it probably wasn’t his. I just think most posts were veiled attempts to say LK deserved it. That is what I see not having any interaction with the players.

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            • Originally posted by haleybot View Post
              I personally know that safesport was contacted about LK's online behavior and bullying over a year ago! If they had done something then, like a suspension, maybe this never would have happened.
              Just sayin.
              My point exactly Synthesis. This post is just appalling.

              My impression is no one involved is all that emotionally mature.

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              • A lot of people keep talking about victim blaming on this thread. Why is it that a victim can never have any culpability in a crime that happened to them? What about the kid that bullies another kid relentlessly for years? Bullied kid reports it repeatedly but nothing is done to end the bullying. Bullied kid finally can not take it anymore and somehow harms his/her bully. Now the bully is the victim. Does he/she not share any of the blame for what happened? Are they an innocent victim? I would say no.

                As far as this case, I had never heard of any of the involved parties. After reading the initial news story, I googled them. Didn't find much on MB other than his website, but did see LK's Facebook. And my immediate thought was - there is way more to this story and this woman is a manipulator, and probably not an "innocent" victim. That was before reading any of the comments here saying that she has a history of bullying, and before finding out she also had a criminal history. Now, of course I don't know any of the facts of the case other than what is being reported in the news, and maybe my initial reaction about the victim was way off base. Maybe she did everything right and MB just shot her for no reason other than he is a horrible person. Whatever the case, unless it was self defense, shooting her was wrong and he should pay. But the notion that just because someone is a victim, that automatically means they are blameless, is wrong IMO.

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                • Originally posted by MollyJones View Post
                  A lot of people keep talking about victim blaming on this thread. Why is it that a victim can never have any culpability in a crime that happened to them? What about the kid that bullies another kid relentlessly for years? Bullied kid reports it repeatedly but nothing is done to end the bullying. Bullied kid finally can not take it anymore and somehow harms his/her bully. Now the bully is the victim. Does he/she not share any of the blame for what happened? Are they an innocent victim? I would say no.

                  As far as this case, I had never heard of any of the involved parties. After reading the initial news story, I googled them. Didn't find much on MB other than his website, but did see LK's Facebook. And my immediate thought was - there is way more to this story and this woman is a manipulator, and probably not an "innocent" victim. That was before reading any of the comments here saying that she has a history of bullying, and before finding out she also had a criminal history. Now, of course I don't know any of the facts of the case other than what is being reported in the news, and maybe my initial reaction about the victim was way off base. Maybe she did everything right and MB just shot her for no reason other than he is a horrible person. Whatever the case, unless it was self defense, shooting her was wrong and he should pay. But the notion that just because someone is a victim, that automatically means they are blameless, is wrong IMO.
                  That’s not what I mean by victim blaming. Clearly it takes two for the relationship to escalate to this point. However, without knowing exactly how or why it escalated, I think it’s in poor form to place most of the blame on the person who was shot. That’s how the posts read.

                  Kinda like people saying why did people wait 50 years to report GHM? It’s because of the “movement”

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                  • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                    My point exactly Synthesis. This post is just appalling.

                    My impression is no one involved is all that emotionally mature.
                    My point in stating that was if Safe Sport was truly doing their job and not going after just "big names" in the business maybe just maybe this whole incident could have been prevented!

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                    • Originally posted by haleybot View Post

                      My point in stating that was if Safe Sport was truly doing their job and not going after just "big names" in the business maybe just maybe this whole incident could have been prevented!
                      A suspension from horse shows never would have helped evict her if that’s what this was about.

                      They go after more than big names. Pretty sure there are only three names listed that people actually foam at the mouth about on the list for equestrians.

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                      • Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

                        That’s not what I mean by victim blaming. Clearly it takes two for the relationship to escalate to this point. However, without knowing exactly how or why it escalated, I think it’s in poor form to place most of the blame on the person who was shot. That’s how the posts read.

                        Kinda like people saying why did people wait 50 years to report GHM? It’s because of the “movement”
                        I'm not sure anyone is portioning the "blame", i.e. most.
                        I think pointing to the shooting victims Facebook posts merely suggest the situation may be more complicated than it otherwise might be.
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                        • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post

                          I'm not sure anyone is portioning the "blame", i.e. most.
                          I think pointing to the shooting victims Facebook posts merely suggest the situation may be more complicated than it otherwise might be.
                          I’m not referring to those types of posts. And again it’s my impression not having any interaction with any of the players. It’s more the posts of people seemingly shrugging it off because they know her.

                          No one deserves to get shot unless the shooter is in a situation of kill or be killed.

                          The phrase “too soon” comes to mind. I read her posts on Facebook and they seemed pretty manic to me. So I’m not saying I think it’s a situation where MB just pulled a gun and shot her. I think there is a lot of complicated personal stuff going on with the victim and how it got to this point is complicated. That’s all.

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                          • Originally posted by haleybot View Post

                            My point in stating that was if Safe Sport was truly doing their job and not going after just "big names" in the business maybe just maybe this whole incident could have been prevented!
                            Ridiculous
                            Let me apologize in advance.

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                            • Originally posted by ToN Farm View Post
                              With respect to the horses there, I'm in NJ so I get the rumors from the Jersey horse crowd and that info travels quickly. Again, it's only rumors but coming from good sources that all his clients moved out right after the shooting.
                              If that’s the case, it’s interesting that all those people were able to find stalls elsewhere in the area for their horses on extremely short notice, while LK seemed unable to do the same over the course of weeks or even months.

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                              • Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                If that’s the case, it’s interesting that all those people were able to find stalls elsewhere in the area for their horses on extremely short notice, while LK seemed unable to do the same over the course of weeks or even months.
                                If she really is as unstable as people say, it’s not surprising at all.

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                                • Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post

                                  Honestly I don't get why it's such a bad thing to speculate. Or why it's so bad to at least consider the possibility that the gun being pink miiiiight point to it not being his. Or why it's so awful to say that most guys I know, straight or otherwise, wouldn't really want a pink gun. If a gun is for self defense, and you want to warn someone off from attacking you, pink just doesn't really have the same effect, it has nothing to do with gender stereotypes. I mean jeez, I'm a girl, I like the color pink, but I WOULDN'T want a pink gun.
                                  I don’t think the issue is with speculating that the gun might not be his. It could well belong to his wife, or girlfriend, or a barn worker, or friend. The problem is with people assuming that because the gun is pink it must belong to Lauren, ergo she must have been the aggressor in this situation. We simply cannot know that right now. Certainly the charges laid and the initial reports don’t support that theory, yet I have seen it repeated as fact in several places, simply because the gun in question was pink. That is the danger of speculation.

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                                  • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                                    If you go to the courthouse you can read them. It does not contain all the details, but it will contain enough details to be used at an arraignment, which is the formal declaration of charges, and also will be used to decide if he stays incarcerated or is let out pending trial, and how much (if any) bail to set.

                                    Those of you who think the investigation is incomplete, please understand that the police have 5 years to complete the investigation and charge Barisone (I believe, might be different if she dies so it's murder). There is no reason to file the complaint the following morning unless the police have completed a thorough investigation of the crime scene and interviewed all relevant witnesses, and there are no loose ends that might allow him to walk free on some silly technicality or questionable evidence. Barisone, unlike some hunter/jumper folk, is not running around molesting children so there is not much of a reason to rush to get him permanently off the street. It speaks volumes that he was charged so quickly.

                                    Facebook comments are usually not reliable new sources, nor are anonymous internet posters. If you read real sources and used logic, not cotton candy speculation, this is a pretty simple situation. Also understand that witness statements are compared to evidence gathered at the crime scene and the evidence usually does not lie. Crime scene evidence documentation and gathering is a science, and there are special technicians who usually come out to process the scene.

                                    So I'm going with Michael Barisone with a pink gun on the front porch.
                                    Yes, you have time to file charges. But there's a limited amount of time you can hold someone in jail without charging them. Given that it seems relatively undisputed that he DID shoot her (for whatever reason), it would not be unreasonable to file charges to ensure that he can be held in custody while they continue the investigation. If he did shoot her and it was not in self defense, there's a very strong public interest in not allowing him to return to society.

                                    Self defense is a legal defense to a charge of attempted murder, but a defense that has to be argued and proven at trial. Unless it's very cut and dry and clear that he acted in self defense (e.g., someone broke into his house and attacked him, or it was on camera) charges will be filed, the prosecution will have the burden of proving that he shot her, and he will have the burden of proving that he did it in self defense.

                                    It doesn't speak volumes that he was charged so quickly--it could just mean he shot someone, they aren't sure if it was self defense or not, and they want to make sure he stays in custody.

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                                    • Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post

                                      Honestly I don't get why it's such a bad thing to speculate. Or why it's so bad to at least consider the possibility that the gun being pink miiiiight point to it not being his. Or why it's so awful to say that most guys I know, straight or otherwise, wouldn't really want a pink gun. If a gun is for self defense, and you want to warn someone off from attacking you, pink just doesn't really have the same effect, it has nothing to do with gender stereotypes. I mean jeez, I'm a girl, I like the color pink, but I WOULDN'T want a pink gun.
                                      I own several firearms and none of them are pink. Hubby (retired LEO) says he wouldn't own a pink gun and doesn't know any guy that does. I don't know MB but he strikes me as the macho/ego type. I know I will now get blasted and actually think i't funny that people are getting their panties in a twist over gender/not gender specific guns.

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                                      • Originally posted by FEI_JR2004 View Post

                                        Yes, you have time to file charges. But there's a limited amount of time you can hold someone in jail without charging them. Given that it seems relatively undisputed that he DID shoot her (for whatever reason), it would not be unreasonable to file charges to ensure that he can be held in custody while they continue the investigation. If he did shoot her and it was not in self defense, there's a very strong public interest in not allowing him to return to society.

                                        Self defense is a legal defense to a charge of attempted murder, but a defense that has to be argued and proven at trial. Unless it's very cut and dry and clear that he acted in self defense (e.g., someone broke into his house and attacked him, or it was on camera) charges will be filed, the prosecution will have the burden of proving that he shot her, and he will have the burden of proving that he did it in self defense.

                                        It doesn't speak volumes that he was charged so quickly--it could just mean he shot someone, they aren't sure if it was self defense or not, and they want to make sure he stays in custody.
                                        Exactly per someone involved in law enforcement. We all watch too many Datelines and 20 20s including me).

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                                        • We have entered the twilight zone.

                                          Changing the subject... I feel a little sorry for Robert Dover. I think his very public, knee jerk defense of George Morris will not do him credit in the future. I hope that RD has friends that will advise him to be quiet and let the SafeSport process come to it's end.

                                          Is there any discussion about this in the dressage world? I don't know RD, are people surprised that he has jumped in with both feet, in support of GM?

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