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  • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
    Sorry, no, getting shot was not a proportional response to Lauren's behaviour, and continuing to try to say it is is insane.
    Quote the people who said it was, please.

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    • Originally posted by rothmpp View Post
      it would help if they'd at least gotten her age right. I have a hard time taking a journalist seriously that can't get that basic fact right.

      Since none of MB's people were on the record for the article it is basically a puff piece about LK.
      Ditto. The age of the subject of the article, like the Olympic record of MB, should be very easy to verify.

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      • Originally posted by eggbutt View Post
        And finally, we weren't there for that last dig of having CPS come to investigate abuse and threaten to take two children away.
        Interesting that LK claimed she “did not recall” placing the call to CPS, according to the Times article.

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        • Originally posted by x-halt-salute View Post

          Uh, remind me again who is continuing to assert that shooting someone is a proportional response to LK's behavior? I can't find it.
          This took 10 seconds to find, and there are more earlier in this thread as well as many on FB. Not to mention Wachowich.

          Originally posted by Funckyfilly View Post
          Unfortunately for her, her bad behavior has finally caught up with her. Karma at its best. Personally I only feel sorry for MB, et al. It's a shame she pushed him past his breaking point.
          Here's another, after a quick search for the word "deserved":

          Originally posted by Watchturtle View Post

          Up until mid-afternoon, I agreed with those who say that nothing she did deserved getting shot. Then I read about the false child abuse report she called in. If indeed this is the way that LK deals with people, it is a bit of a surprise that she has lived as long as she has.

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          • Wowee! For some reason, I never clicked on this link even though it grew exponentially. Then I saw an article in the New York Times..... Now I know why this thread reached 206 pages!
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            • Originally posted by BLBGP View Post

              This took 10 seconds to find, and there are more earlier in this thread as well as many on FB. Not to mention Wachowich.
              There were a small number of posts in this thread weeks ago that expressed that perspective. None persistent, recent, or to any extent accepted by the community. I assumed ladyj was responding to recent commentary (here, rather than in known cesspools like Dressage Hub) rather than posting a delayed reaction to a handful of extreme posts in August and September. Guess not.

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              • Originally posted by x-halt-salute View Post

                There were a small number of posts in this thread weeks ago that expressed that perspective. None persistent, recent, or to any extent accepted by the community. I assumed ladyj was responding to recent commentary (here, rather than in known cesspools like Dressage Hub) rather than posting a delayed reaction to a handful of extreme posts in August and September. Guess not.
                The FunckyFilly one was just a few pages ago (post 4054, page 203 for me), and had 19 likes.

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                • Originally posted by smoofox View Post
                  eggbutt - to be honest, you often make it sound as if you were there.... and also often seem far more deeply invested in this than a simple casual observer/commentator...
                  Perhaps because I am simply closely associated with several people who have been LK's victims in the past.

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                  • Originally posted by BLBGP View Post

                    The FunckyFilly one was just a few pages ago (post 4054, page 203 for me), and had 19 likes.
                    Two weeks ago. I thought the complaint was about commentary since the NYT article.

                    Whether it had 19 likes or 0 (in a 4,000+ post thread with 600,000+ views), the idea that shooting someone is a proportional response to harassment is a minority opinion around here, and one that hasn't been promoted since the thread reopened. I guess I don't see the point of trying to stake out a slice of moral high ground, under such circumstances.

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                    • Just in case anyone missed the separate thread, the wacky guy from New Jersey who posted on here about his oddball interest in horses was caught. His posts were probably not seen by that many people, since the moderators cleaned them up pretty promptly. But it was a strange and bizarre addition to a thread that did not need any help in that direction.

                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...thorities-say/

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                      • Originally posted by eggbutt View Post
                        I've said it before and I'm sure I will say it again in my life: we ALL are accountable for our actions! If I choose to harass, threaten, stalk, slander, lie and make horrible false accusations to authorities about someone, I should OWN my actions. The same is true if I lose my sanity temporarily and take the law into my own hands, whether self defense or not, I should OWN my actions. Period!! Lauren Kanarek accepts no responsiblity for her behavior, ever. She is always the victim and blames others for her results. That is what has me so furious...
                        not that she was shot but what responsibility does she have in what happened?? Those who know her and her past behavior all ask the same questions. If that is victim shaming, then so be it!
                        sure, this is the post I'm responding to most recently. sorry I didn't quote it, but it was the last post when I started writing.

                        But again, a lot of you are just awful, so it really doesn't matter.
                        Let me apologize in advance.

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                        • BLBGP I believe you reap what you sow. I'm not victim shaming but I agree with eggbutt. Both were responsible for each of their egregious behavior.
                          Perhaps it would have been wiser to maintain your silence than to make an effort obviously borne from some sense of obligation - Cindi

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                          • Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

                            sure, this is the post I'm responding to most recently. sorry I didn't quote it, but it was the last post when I started writing.

                            But again, a lot of you are just awful, so it really doesn't matter.
                            Valuing accountability for one's own behavior, including both parties in the altercation under discussion =/= an assertion that shooting someone is ok.

                            And throwing barbs in the general direction of anyone who doesn't see things the way you do does not make you seem less awful than anyone else on this thread.

                            It's kinda funny how hard people will work to get everyone else to tuned into the black-and-white version of the world that they see...

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                            • Originally posted by ladyj79

                              [Edit]
                              More insane and awful than calling CPS to mess with someone while living on their property, then (allegedly) sitting on your porch and waiting to see what happens? I think not.
                              Last edited by Moderator 1; Oct. 18, 2019, 10:41 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by iris2006 View Post

                                More insane and awful than calling CPS to mess with someone while living on their property, then (allegedly) sitting on your porch and waiting to see what happens? I think not.
                                This phrasing gets me every time. Whose porch was it??

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                                • Originally posted by MHM View Post

                                  This phrasing gets me every time. Whose porch was it??
                                  It was MB's porch. Just saying..

                                  BTW, in my "rarefied world of dressage", I’m going to have to apologize to the barn guy. Something slipped my mind while I was putting things away in the tack room before leaving the barn this evening.

                                  I left a pile of poop in the barn aisle.

                                  I’m so sorry.
                                  “A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.”

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                                  • Originally posted by tryintogethere View Post
                                    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/n...ial-media.html

                                    So many inaccuracies to even be taken seriously!!
                                    It’s a shame that Barisone’s lawyer refused a request comment. And a shock (though not at all a shame) that Susan Wacko Witch refused too!

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                                    • Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post

                                      It’s a shame that Barisone’s lawyer refused a request comment. And a shock (though not at all a shame) that Susan Wacko Witch refused too!
                                      Maybe it is a shame, but I think it's a smart move. If I were his lawyer, I'd do the same.

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                                      • Originally posted by eggbutt View Post

                                        Call me totally insane then......you and I were not there. We didn't live the weeks of harassment and threats and refusal to leave the property. We weren't kept awake, we weren't forced to move to our barn to escape the harassment, we did not experience the impotence of the local police. And finally, we weren't there for that last dig of having CPS come to investigate abuse and threaten to take two children away. No, shooting someone is not the answer, but tell me ladyj79 what would you have done sitting in your armchair at home frustrated beyond reality? Can you explain what Lauren's behavior was meant to achieve? How much more was anyone expected to take from her? Keep in mind, other than being shot, this is NOT the first time she has exhibited this behavior to this extreme.
                                        In answer to your questions:

                                        1. I would not have killed someone who pissed me off, no matter how bad.

                                        2. There is no behavior of a victim that counts as "asking for it," especially when "it" is getting shot in the chest.

                                        3. It doesn't matter that the victim has a history of being extreme. Nothing justifies killing someone.

                                        Did you really mean to argue that Barisone "could not have done otherwise, given the victim's behavior"?
                                        The armchair saddler
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                                        • I think the article was fine, as for Joey she did print the crazy post from Lauren, that says more to me than joey tweeting the president.
                                          Humans dont mind duress, in fact they thrive on it. What they mind is not feeling necessary. Sebastian Junger

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